Halloween Horror Nights 34 (UOR) - Speculation & Rumors

[Casper Gutman]

Good job cutting out the rest of my explanation, as it allows you to try shifting the goalposts of your stance. But the argument stands, as the “artist” presenting a POV in reality TV is the production team (camera crew, producers, editors, directors) the same way it is in any television show.

I’ll reiterate - Reality television is the equivalent of surreal photography.

I wasn’t in any way trying to “shift the goalposts” or misrepresent you. My understanding was that you were attributing the artistic intervention to the offscreen individuals - the crew - while what was being filmed was “a moment of the real world,” whether or not the external artists attempted to “distort” it. I think the assumption that “a moment of the real world” was involved at all is very questionable, and the fact that the entire production works to make the nature of the “real world” unknowable or even irrelevant - there is no distinction between real and performance - is the issue. It gets back to the kayfabe Jake brought up. It’s not “artists” distorting “reality,” it’s the entire concept of “reality” being destabilized.

 

[Brian G.]

I wasn’t in any way trying to “shift the goalposts” or misrepresent you. My understanding was that you were attributing the artistic intervention to the offscreen individuals - the crew - while what was being filmed was “a moment of the real world,” whether or not the external artists attempted to “distort” it. I think the assumption that “a moment of the real world” was involved at all is very questionable.

While that may apply to more traditional reality TV, the wrestlers are a part of the art. They are the actors who put on the show while the crew makes it a spectacle.

 

[RedRightDan]

Literally anything made with intention to illicit a response from and intended audience should be considered art.

Is Cirque Du Soleil art?

Are dozens of artisans creating a live 2hr show featuring multimedia and superhuman feats of athletics art?

 

[TheCodeMan95]

All I'll say here - watch Shawn Michaels VS Ric Flair at Wrestlemania 24 and tell me wrestling isn't performance art.

Or - watch CM Punk's Pipe Bomb, and the entire Punk/Cena Angle for Money in the Bank 2011.

Shawn Michaels VS Undertaker at Wrestlemania 25 and 26.

If you're not into wrestling, that's fine. But saying it isn't art is a bit over the top (rope)

And by the way - even without the theatrics and story, sports can be art. You ever see a beautifully executed trick play in football?

 

[Midnight Detective]

Well, the academic definition of art is the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power.

The Clown's name in A24's Terrifier

 

[rageofthegods]

The Clown's name in A24's Terrifier

A24's Terrifier is a metaphor for trauma

 

[NotPennysBoat]

I believe art is in the eye of the beholder.

 

[GA-MBIT]

I believe art is in the eye of the beholder.

Y'know, I was working in the lab late one night, when my eyes beheld an eerie sight!

... what are we talking about again?

 

[CaretakerBajaBlast]

I like Halloween, can we talk about how cool jack-o-lanterns are again?

I just hope there’s tons of pumpkins somewhere this year.

 

[Jaden]

Everytime I check this thread I swear…

 

[SeanPhilly]

Everytime I check this thread I swear…

This thread is, itself, art!

 

[Captain Spaulding]

As much as I would love to see a comedy show return, I just don’t know that we are in the day and age of comedy anymore. I don’t know how you can make a comedy show without offending someone.

Yeah, I wish people would stop being offended by EVERYTHING they don't agree with. You can dislike something without throwing a hissy fit about it

 

[Brian G.]

And we can move away from this convo because we know where it leads. Haha.

 

[coastercody]

Who would have guessed that after a 3 page discussion on the art of the WWE that it would still be my least anticipated.

 

[TheCodeMan95]

I like Halloween, can we talk about how cool jack-o-lanterns are again?

I just hope there’s tons of pumpkins somewhere this year.

I think we'll definitely see the pumpkins in the trees in Central Park again this year!

And we can move away from this convo because we know where it leads. Haha.

Leads straight to the ban hammer!

 

[LPCaptainDeath]

I agree with this. Terrifier is unquestionably art. “Art” is not a judgement of quality - it can be good or bad, elevating or destructive. And Horror, despite periodic moral panics, has elevated and illuminated more then destroyed.

Perhaps the exact definition of “art” is academic, but I’ll return to a question I asked earlier (not just to Jake, but to everyone) - is reality TV art? What is the boundary of what cannot be art (not that this will be clear cut)?

Sorry, i'm late. Art students are usually outside smoking while everyone is inside talking.
I'm sure i probably don't need to cite this example to most, as it is pretty well known to fans of the 20th century avant garde movement, but for those who may not know, here's a bit of art history from the Captain!

In 1917 Marcel Duchamp posed this exact question to the Society of Independent Artists at the Grand Central Palace in New York. Duchamp got up there with a literal porcelain urinal that was signed R. MUTT in reference to MOTT WORKS, the manufacturer of the commode, and a cartoon strip that Duchamp was a fan of. He did not alter the urinal in any way, he simply signed the side of it very shoddily with black acrylic paint.

The exact quote of his submission that shocked and beguiled onlookers for years, to the point that he had several more commissioned in the 60's, was thus:
"Everyday objects (can be) raised to the dignity of a work of art by the artist's act of choice."

Therefore, i feel a bit like Syndrome from Incredibles when i say "If everything can be art: nothing is." But that's also kinda the point.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Sorry, i'm late. Art students are usually outside smoking while everyone is inside talking.
I'm sure i probably don't need to cite this example to most, as it is pretty well known to fans of the 20th century avant garde movement, but for those who may not know, here's a bit of art history from the Captain!
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In 1917 Marcel Duchamp posed this exact question to the Society of Independent Artists at the Grand Central Palace in New York. Duchamp got up there with a literal porcelain urinal that was signed R. MUTT in reference to MOTT WORKS, the manufacturer of the commode, and a cartoon strip that Duchamp was a fan of. He did not alter the urinal in any way, he simply signed the side of it very shoddily with black acrylic paint.

The exact quote of his submission that shocked and beguiled onlookers for years, to the point that he had several more commissioned in the 60's, was thus:
"Everyday objects (can be) raised to the dignity of a work of art by the artist's act of choice."

Therefore, i feel a bit like Syndrome from Incredibles when i say "If everything can be art: nothing is." But that's also kinda the point.

I was wondering when the Dadaists would show up!

 

[GentleArt309]

Yeah, I wish people would stop being offended by EVERYTHING they don't agree with. You can dislike something without throwing a hissy fit about it

bro its 2025... thats the new national pasttime.

 

[Allison]

bro its 2025... thats the new national pasttime.

It is still on the same page, only 5 replies up, @Brian G. asking y’all to stop.

 

[HHNSK]

Not spec, but just a comment as we’re pretty much near the end of the spec season.

It’s clear to me the creators of this event have listened to the feedback and some of the overarching criticisms of last years offering. Bravo - I absolutely love this and they should get a lot of credit for listening.

Who knows how everything will turn out, but on paper I’m really impressed and what more can you ask for? The scare zones sound like a genuine effort to improve the theming and overall atmosphere/continuity. The merch already looks better, and we’ve got the lagoon show back. They’re trying some new stuff - i.e Mel’s. They seem to be serious about improving Ops and crowds.

Time to enjoy the remaining summer and be really thankful for what we have coming this fall.