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Halloween Horror Nights 34 (UOR) - Speculation & Rumors

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RedRightDan said:
It’s just not a very apt classification for them.

They’re a throwback to the ‘70s and early ‘80s.

“Torture Porn” wasn’t really a thing until post 9/11 regarding a very specific style of horror that I don’t think these quite fit into
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Just because the term didn’t exist until later, doesn’t mean those films didn’t exist. Cannibal Holocaust comes to mind.

I’m not trying to dismiss anyone liking what they like, but the film can easily be seen as torture porn, especially the first one.
 
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Suggesting that horror had become too gratuitous, focusing on human pain rather than frivolous gore,
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That's the line right there.

These are all about frivolous gore. Gore and kills that go so far they become ridiculous. A truly twisted version of The Three Stooges.

That's the line that torture porn didn't cross. It always stayed more somber and serious in tone.
 
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RedRightDan said:
That's the line that torture porn didn't cross. It always stayed more somber and serious in tone
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Maybe it’s me, but, I consider sawing a woman in half crotch first pretty damn somber & serious.
 
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Allison said:
Maybe it’s me, but, I consider sawing a woman in half crotch first pretty damn somber & serious.
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Out of context, yes.

But the way it's done (implied not shown), and the fact that we're to expect that one man with a hacksaw was able to just slice through her like butter (plus the performative nature of it) leads to the comedic aspect.

The bedroom kill in the second movie is a better example of what I'm arguing.

And I really hope that this isn't taken in a "dude loves violence against women" sort of way. I'd hope that you would know me from previous posts better than that.
 
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Terrifier reminds me of the movie ASS in Idiocracy. Bla bla bla backstory, where the whole world is stupid in the distant future and a movie, that just shows a naked butt for 90min, is considered high comedy and sweeps the academy awards (the clip is on youtube, not linking to it due to nudity). That's how I feel about this series, it's just non-stop gore for the sake of gore with no narrative around it, and people love it....and I don't get it.

I'm not saying people who like Terrifier are stupid or anything like that, just pointing out that my thoughts on the films are captured really well (and comedically) in the movie.
 
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RedRightDan said:
Out of context, yes.

But the way it's done (implied not shown), and the fact that we're to expect that one man with a hacksaw was able to just slice through her like butter (plus the performative nature of it) leads to the comedic aspect.

The bedroom kill in the second movie is a better example of what I'm arguing.

And I really hope that this isn't taken in a "dude loves violence against women" sort of way. I'd hope that you would know me from previous posts better than that.
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Yet it’s all still under the umbrella of torture porn. All of those deaths have the characters tortured mercilessly and excessively, which would in fact classify it as torture porn. Especially the bedroom kill, something that goes on much longer than it needed to which is, by, definition torture.

Not taking it as that, but, there have been other arguments made by male members that you’ve ignored so fwiw I’d address their concerns as well as mine.
 
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RedRightDan said:
That's the line right there.

These are all about frivolous gore. Gore and kills that go so far they become ridiculous. A truly twisted version of The Three Stooges.

That's the line that torture porn didn't cross. It always stayed more somber and serious in tone.
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RedRightDan said:
Out of context, yes.

But the way it's done (implied not shown), and the fact that we're to expect that one man with a hacksaw was able to just slice through her like butter (plus the performative nature of it) leads to the comedic aspect.

The bedroom kill in the second movie is a better example of what I'm arguing.

And I really hope that this isn't taken in a "dude loves violence against women" sort of way. I'd hope that you would know me from previous posts better than that.
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So I agree with the bedroom scene in 2, but I disagree about the hacksaw scene in 1. If I remember correctly they definitely show her screaming and flailing and very much alive in the middle of it and are focusing on the pain. Honestly, the hacksaw scene is what makes me consider 1 a torture porn movie, it's basically the achilles scene in Hostel with some gratuitous nudity included.

But honestly, even though I agree with the gore part of your statement, saying the bedroom scene isn't about the pain is slightly disingenuous considering they specifically show him pouring bleach and salt into the wounds lol.
 
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Allison said:
Especially the bedroom kill, something that goes on much longer than it needed to which is, by, definition torture.

Not taking it as that, but, there have been other arguments made by male members that you’ve ignored so fwiw I’d address their concerns as well as mine.
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Please see below RE: the bedroom kill.

If it seemed that I was singling you out over others, I apologize. I know that I respect your opinions on horror movies, and you were just the one making the points that I wanted to address.

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And honestly, saying the bedroom scene isn't about the pain is slightly disingenuous considering they specifically show him pouring bleach and salt into the wounds lol.
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Exactly my previous point. That scene goes on so long that it turns horror into absurdity. He's literally rubbing salt into the wounds after he already left twice.

It definitely takes a unique sense of humor to find it funny, but my point rests there.
 
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RedRightDan said:
If it seemed that I was singling you out over others, I apologize. I know that I respect your opinions on horror movies, and you were just the one making the points that I wanted to address.
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I appreciate that and respect your point as well, which is why we’ll probably have to agree to disagree on the classification of that franchise, because even if 1 person finds it to be comedic, it doesn’t mean the majority of people calling it torture porn are wrong. That’s like saying “I didn’t think _____ was scary, so it’s not horror!” when we both know that’s not how it works.

Just because I keep bringing up the definition I’m leaving this here since this is what I’m referring to when I call it torture porn: IMG_5739.jpeg
 
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I'm not arguing that torture isn't featured in the movies.

I guess what I'm arguing is intent in the Terrifier series vs intent in "Torture Porn" style films.

It's obvious that I'm arguing that Damian Leone is intending to drive the violence and torture in his films to an absurd degree. To the point of driving past disgust and repulsion, and extracting comedy out of it.

I feel that the intent of anything that has been traditionally labeled "torture porn" (mostly from the early '00s) had disgust and repulsion as the entire point.
 
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I watched about 10 minutes of Terrifier and have no interest in returning. The film seems like a stage to demonstrate the grotesque.

The character walks around all day with a ridiculous grin to set up their next over-the-top murder where the effects crews goal is to make the audience vomit.

Oh what fun.

Hard pass.

However, hopefully the character makes for a fun house.
 
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You guys are already making me start to think there might be something wrong with me because I just found the whole thing very funny….

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Comedic gore is Evil Dead 2, Army of Darkness, and Ash vs Evil Dead. The bloodshed is an excuse for slapstick, the entire mise en scene of the film highlights its absurdity and unreality, the victims pain is not the focus at all, and the victim is usually the intentionally goofy Ash and, when it isn’t, is a thinly drawn cartoon not meant to be read as a real person (AoD, the most humor focused of the bunch, has almost no victims at all). The films are basically intended by the filmmakers to be understood as WB cartoons or Three Stooges shorts.

That is not my understanding of Terrifier.

PS: It’s also worth noting that Evil Dead is the only horror franchise I can think of where the icon is the hero not the killer, further emphasizing that the humor comes not from the infliction of brutality but from its endurance. This bleeds over into the meta narrative of the film as well - our enjoyment comes both from seeing Ash survive whatever the Evil Dead can throw at him and from seeing Bruce Campbell survive whatever Sam Raimi can throw at him.
 
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i'm really shocked at how many horror fans don't care for terrifier. yes its shocking and gross, but its so completely over the top & ridiculous at times that it's almost campy, so its easy for me to separate from reality. although sometimes i have to look away. (rat , tube , fire scene iykyk)
 
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Casper Gutman said:
Comedic gore is Evil Dead 2, Army of Darkness, and Ash vs Evil Dead. The bloodshed is an excuse for slapstick, the entire mise en scene of the film highlights its absurdity and unreality, the victims pain is not the focus at all, and the victim is usually the intentionally goofy Ash and, when it isn’t, is a thinly drawn cartoon not meant to be read as a real person (AoD, the most humor focused of the bunch, has almost no victims at all). The films are basically intended by the filmmakers to be understood as WB cartoons or Three Stooges shorts.

That is not my understanding of Terrifier.

PS: It’s also worth noting that Evil Dead is the only horror franchise I can think of where the icon is the hero not the killer, further emphasizing that the humor comes not from the infliction of brutality but from its endurance. This bleeds over into the meta narrative of the film as well - our enjoyment comes both from seeing Ash survive whatever the Evil Dead can throw at him and from seeing Bruce Campbell survive whatever Sam Raimi can throw at him.
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Good points, but I would argue they're different sides of the same coin?

With ED being more comedy with horror elements, and Terrifier more horror with comedy elements.

Same intent. One is just inherently meaner to their audience, while the other is meaner to their characters.
 
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RedRightDan said:
Good points, but I would argue they're different sides of the same coin?

With ED being more comedy with horror elements, and Terrifier more horror with comedy elements.

Same intent. One is just inherently meaner to their audience, while the other is meaner to their characters.
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Would Terrifier be comedy if the killer wasn’t dressed like a clown?

We can all quote humorous lines from the Ash films. What are the funniest lines from Terrifier?

PS: It should also be noted that being a comedy doesn’t exempt a film from criticism. Horror comedy can be very tricky because it can trivialize horrendous violence. This is where Raimi’s extremely strong and cartoonish auteurist sensibilities become invaluable.
 
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Casper Gutman said:
Would Terrifier be comedy if the killer wasn’t dressed like a clown?

We can all quote humorous lines from the Ash films. What are the funniest lines from Terrifier?
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I mean, it’s all part of the whole schtick. The fact that he’s a mime (the most ridiculous type of clown) is a big part of the comedy.

I don’t know if actual funny lines of dialogue are required for something to be considered comedic

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You guys are already making me start to think there might be something wrong with me because I just found the whole thing very funny….

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Nope nothing wrong with you as long as everyone understands that people have different thresholds for extreme violence and gore, which the Terrifier movies tend to float towards those who are fine with it. The sawing scene in the 1st movie definitely put me off.

That being said, still interested to see what they do with the IP for a house.
 
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Andor said:
i'm really shocked at how many horror fans don't care for terrifier. yes its shocking and gross, but its so completely over the top & ridiculous at times that it's almost campy, so its easy for me to separate from reality. although sometimes i have to look away. (rat , tube , fire scene iykyk)
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The problem with the Terrifier movies, mainly the sequels, is they take a 90 minute concept and stretch it out into a 130 minute movie. The scenes dragggg on for far too long. Also, with each sequel they raise more and more questions that never get answered. I enjoy the original quiet a bit for its simple concept but the sequels are excessive and not great in my opinion.
 
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RedRightDan said:
It's obvious that I'm arguing that Damian Leone is intending to drive the violence and torture in his films to an absurd degree. To the point of driving past disgust and repulsion, and extracting comedy out of it.
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Im not sure we can really say what Leone is intending for certain, but he has been clear many times that his goal was to explicitly feature violence as a means of showcasing his special effects talents and to make Art as violent as possible:

“Almost everything has been done to death (pun intended) so I feel I have a duty to the audience to present them with stuff that hasn’t quite been seen before or if it has, to do it in a way that feels fresh.”

Leone has also discussed how the comedy was not really intentional and that he tries to make his films as dark as possible.

“I always shoot for a more serious tone but ironically, the comedy in Terrifier was very organic and almost wrote itself.”

He goes on to talk about the comedy that has been written in to highlight how depraved Art is - to highlight that he enjoys inflicting pain. I mean, come on ….

Given the content of the films and Leone’s discussion about it I just find it really hard to argue this isn’t torture porn.

Regardless it’s definitely horror and I’m happy to see it at HHN for fans of the series.
 
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