Fast & Furious: Supercharged - General Discussion

[Mad Dog]

Right jt

You’re correct in the sense that it doesn’t *have to* have water…technically, yes, there are other ways around it to manufacture the concept of water…but IMO just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should. Why create fake water through projection mapping when you can have the real deal for an IP like Jaws no less. You’re entitled to your opinion of course but it just feels silly to me.

We were talking about reusing the F&F building in it's present form. Switching to an actual water based attraction would probably be costly. And, one of the main issues they replaced the original ride is that it was a maintenance problem and the use of special effects were budget buster issues. If they would reuse the present F&F facility they could probably retrofit it using screens and some practical sets that would be less costly than trying to recreate the original Jaws....I was just throwing that out as an idea. I'm no great fan of Jaws and would rather see BTTF, or even Ghostbusters if they were going to reuse the present structure....Now, if they tear down that building and start over anew, then its a whole new ballgame. But the present building is less than a decade old, so I would doubt they'd tear it down.

 

[Myah1220]

We were talking about reusing the F&F building in it's present form. Switching to an actual water based attraction would probably be costly. And, one of the main issues they replaced the original ride is that it was a maintenance problem and the use of special effects were budget buster issues. If they would reuse the present F&F facility they could probably retrofit it using screens and some practical sets that would be less costly than trying to recreate the original Jaws....I was just throwing that out as an idea. I'm no great fan of Jaws and would rather see BTTF, or even Ghostbusters if they were going to reuse the present structure....Now, if they tear down that building and start over anew, then uits a whole new ballgame. But the present building is less than a decade old, so I would doubt they'd tear it down.

Right I acknowledge that but it’s unlikely they are going to gut the existing infrastructure which is why I feel it would be a waste to try to force an IP into this space when it’s not a good match. An IP like Jaws deserves an actual real water ride, Back to the Future deserves to pick up real speed. If they’re going to keep this space, which I fully admit is the most realistic scenario, then it’s better IMO for them to not force/try to make an IP work that doesn’t fit in this space. They should just go with an IP that isn’t so universally beloved and that deserves better and would be a disappointing fit in this space because I’d be willing to bet, forcing a square peg into a round hole like this, is just going to lead to disappointment.

 

[Mad Dog]

Right I acknowledge that but it’s unlikely they are going to gut the existing infrastructure which is why I feel it would be a waste to try to force an IP into this space when it’s not a good match. An IP like Jaws deserves an actual real water ride, Back to the Future deserves to pick up real speed. If they’re going to keep this space, which I fully admit is the most realistic scenario, then it’s better IMO for them to not force/try to make an IP work that doesn’t fit in this space. They should just go with an IP that isn’t so universally beloved and that deserves better and would be a disappointing fit in this space because I’d be willing to bet, forcing a square peg into a round hole like this, is just going to lead to disappointment.

I agree with you. I was just responding to others that brought up using Jaws. Throwing a possible scenario where it could work in that building. As I said, I doubt they'll tear down a relatively new building. There's other IP's that would work there better than Jaws.....The building is huge, but not so large they could do a Test Track speed thing.

 

[Skold]

Holy crap can we make a "we all hate F&F SC and here's my solution" thread?

I keep clicking on this thinking there will be some news. And its all you farfanooging guys.

A separate thread will save me a good 90 seconds every day.

 

[Parkscope Joe]

Holy crap can we make a "we all hate F&F SC and here's my solution" thread?

I keep clicking on this thinking there will be some news. And its all you farfanooging guys.

A separate thread will save me a good 90 seconds every day.

I think we all have a lot of things to work through with this ride and this is a group therapy session lol

 

[TheCodeMan95]

Well we do have the "Head of Universal Creative" thread

 

[Mad Dog]

Holy crap can we make a "we all hate F&F SC and here's my solution" thread?

I keep clicking on this thinking there will be some news. And its all you farfanooging guys.

A separate thread will save me a good 90 seconds every day.

I would guess the numbers would say something like....98% Hate F&F SC....1% are neutral...1% love F&F SC......so may as well keep the thread as it is since F&F SC has zero redeeming qualities....F&F SC has one notable feature....It's probably the theme park all time most hated attraction....and most wasted space.....

 

[amar831]

The knight bus concept is the only thing that would actually make sense if the plan is to keep the same ride system. Everything else just seems like a reach and it feels like people being ok with a retheme to BtTF or Jaws are just holding on to nostalgia. Don’t get me wrong, I loved their OG attractions in the park. But it would be a shame if they were brought back as a retheme to what is arguably the most hated ride at UOR.

 

[Mad Dog]

The knight bus concept is the only thing that would actually make sense if the plan is to keep the same ride system. Everything else just seems like a reach and it feels like people being ok with a retheme to BtTF or Jaws are just holding on to nostalgia. Don’t get me wrong, I loved their OG attractions in the park. But it would be a shame if they were brought back as a retheme to what is arguably the most hated ride at UOR.

Knight Bus would probably fit well. Would they do that conversion, and add to London after opening Paris at Epic? Iffy at best.....But it's important to note that the ride system, and 360 screen works well, if done right, like they did with Reign of Kong at IOA. But it would have to be a much better Universal work all around, not the garbage job that was F&F SC, a result of undue pressure from the film side of Universal. Let UC do what they do best, without interference from the movie and IP execs. That's a big attraction building, and enormous queue. Use some of that queue for an attraction and maybe something solid could result.

 

[belloq87]

There's quite enough Potter at the resort now for a long time.

 

[amar831]

There's quite enough Potter at the resort now for a long time. gut it and do something original. We really don’t need a retheme if it’s going to be a half-baked nostalgia grab.

I agree. So honestly they should gut it and do something original. We don't need a half baked nostalgia grab just for the sake of turnaround time.

 

[USO92]

I agree. So honestly they should gut it and do something original. We don't need a half baked nostalgia grab just for the sake of turnaround time.

We don’t, but they might. Looking at Epic makes me want to believe we’ve turned a creative corner. Looking at 70% of USF reminds me there are some dark alleyways that will hopefully be avoided.

 

[Lucky Planet]

if they just use the screens from this ride then they can recreate this iconic scene

 

[OrlLover]

I agree. So honestly they should gut it and do something original. We don't need a half baked nostalgia grab just for the sake of turnaround time.

Also F&F SC is a relatively new attraction so I think they should focus their attention on other areas of the park first.

Like the Simpsons for instance and Rip Ride Rocket.

Of course if they give a the replacement a proper budget I’m definitely in favor of getting rid of it faster.

 

[Legacy]

Knight Bus would probably fit well. Would they do that conversion, and add to London after opening Paris at Epic? Iffy at best.....But it's important to note that the ride system, and 360 screen works well, if done right, like they did with Reign of Kong at IOA. But it would have to be a much better Universal work all around, not the garbage job that was F&F SC, a result of undue pressure from the film side of Universal. Let UC do what they do best, without interference from the movie and IP execs. That's a big attraction building, and enormous queue. Use some of that queue for an attraction and maybe something solid could result.

My argument for a likely retheme versus a rebuild is due to the nexus of F&F’s location and the importance of varied experiences—while looking at narrative options for retro IPs. Because, here’s the challenge:

The PERFECT ride system for BttF is a Scoop… but Transformers is right there. You wouldn’t want two scoops side by side. So, fine… indoor coaster with launches and screens. But then you’re right between Mummy and Gringotts. That would put THREE indoor coasters in a row. You could put a Kuku in there, but that’s still a somewhat similar experience to a Scoop and the bench seating doesn’t really match a Delorean. A slow dark ride would get the same complaints Mario Kart gets. A straight simulator (flying theater or otherwise) will immediately get compared to the original. So… a retheme of FnF to BttF provides different experience from everything around it while allowing a different experience from the original.

Jaws is a different problem. The original Jaws ride took up the entirety of Gringotts AND DIAGON ALLEY, which basically means it was almost twice the size of the FnF building. So, a “boat ride” is unlikely. Shanghai’s pirates’ system could work. However, a water ride also requires the ability to regularly drain. Logically, that’s the lagoon. However, with the fountain show, it’s possible that raising the water level too high can damage the show’s infrastructure (see, the hurricane). So, if that’s the cause, an indoor water ride is less likely. Universal also had a building already condemned from mold because of indoor water use (Poseidon’s Fury)… so I can’t imagine they’re jonesing for an indoor boat ride without the ability for regular drainage.

(If you look at the Dark Universe expansion plot, they have two retention ponds within 300 meters likely developed for overflow. That would allow drainage for a boat ride there.)

A Jaws variation of the FnF system limits drainage and mold concerns while, once again, allowing an experience viscerally different from what’s around it.

I, personally, don’t care either way. I’d be happy if no retro IPs come back but I’m fine if they do. I’m just looking at from a holistic, “park management” perspective.

 

[Mad Dog]

My argument for a likely retheme versus a rebuild is due to the nexus of F&F’s location and the importance of varied experiences—while looking at narrative options for retro IPs. Because, here’s the challenge:

The PERFECT ride system for BttF is a Scoop… but Transformers is right there. You wouldn’t want two scoops side by side. So, fine… indoor coaster with launches and screens. But then you’re right between Mummy and Gringotts. That would put THREE indoor coasters in a row. You could put a Kuku in there, but that’s still a somewhat similar experience to a Scoop and the bench seating doesn’t really match a Delorean. A slow dark ride would get the same complaints Mario Kart gets. A straight simulator (flying theater or otherwise) will immediately get compared to the original. So… a retheme of FnF to BttF provides different experience from everything around it while allowing a different experience from the original.

Jaws is a different problem. The original Jaws ride took up the entirety of Gringotts AND DIAGON ALLEY, which basically means it was almost twice the size of the FnF building. So, a “boat ride” is unlikely. Shanghai’s pirates’ system could work. However, a water ride also requires the ability to regularly drain. Logically, that’s the lagoon. However, with the fountain show, it’s possible that raising the water level too high can damage the show’s infrastructure (see, the hurricane). So, if that’s the cause, an indoor water ride is less likely. Universal also had a building already condemned from mold because of indoor water use (Poseidon’s Fury)… so I can’t imagine they’re jonesing for an indoor boat ride without the ability for regular drainage.

(If you look at the Dark Universe expansion plot, they have two retention ponds within 300 meters likely developed for overflow. That would allow drainage for a boat ride there.)

A Jaws variation of the FnF system limits drainage and mold concerns while, once again, allowing an experience viscerally different from what’s around it.

I, personally, don’t care either way. I’d be happy if no retro IPs come back but I’m fine if they do. I’m just looking at from a holistic, “park management” perspective.

All good points. The possibilities are numerous. But like you, I don't envision a water ride, mostly due to logistics and cost to convert. I'm guessing they keep the building since it's relatively new. Yes, I usually look at things through a mgt./business level also, since generally cost/return on investment plays a significant role.......And it's possible to turn a terrible attraction into a decent attraction without significantly altering the attraction building. A good example was the terrible Superstar Limo at Calif. Adventure. After a very short run (around a year), Disney quickly replaced it with the Monsters attraction that's been fairly popular since then.

 

[Lucky Planet]

two things that make me think,
1. as beloved as the original back to the future ride was, I never liked the places they travel to.
I never liked it cared for the ice age section or the lava dinosaur section, only the beginning Hill Valley section was cool. I never liked the other stuff.

if they do a new ride, they can travel anywhere, they can visit every single set from the trilogy. including the wild West,
there's so much they can do. either brand new locations or movie locations, it could be so diverse and exciting, they literally can go anywhere.
would be amazing.

2. a jaws ride without water or animatronics could be lame, really lame. it could be interesting but are you underwater? are you on a boat or a submarine? is the shark gonna be like kong in the kong ride? attacking you ?
will the entire ride be under water? ( that could be cool) a submarine expedition, but how do you dress the ride building to convincingly look under water?
and if it's above water, how do you show the shark in the screens?

 

[AvoidTIMtation]

There's quite enough Potter at the resort now for a long time.

I wish i could 'like' this post 100 times.

 

[Mad Dog]

One more point. That's a huge area in front of the F&F attraction building. That could be used for facades and/or a building attachment to house some new queue and then use part of the large existing queue/preshows area to extend space for whatever the new attraction would be, if they use the existing building.

 

[Legacy]

two things that make me think,
1. as beloved as the original back to the future ride was, I never liked the places they travel to.
I never liked it cared for the ice age section or the lava dinosaur section, only the beginning Hill Valley section was cool. I never liked the other stuff.

if they do a new ride, they can travel anywhere, they can visit every single set from the trilogy. including the wild West,
there's so much they can do. either brand new locations or movie locations, it could be so diverse and exciting, they literally can go anywhere.
would be amazing.

2. a jaws ride without water or animatronics could be lame, really lame. it could be interesting but are you underwater? are you on a boat or a submarine? is the shark gonna be like kong in the kong ride? attacking you ?
will the entire ride be under water? ( that could be cool) a submarine expedition, but how do you dress the ride building to convincingly look under water?
and if it's above water, how do you show the shark in the screens?

1. It’s one of the reasons my Fast and the Future retheme idea focuses on Goldie and Biff. Biff is actively trying to become the mayor of Hill Valley like in alternate 1985. I envision it would include 1955, 1885, alternate 2015 (since that’s in the past now), 2085, back to 1985, then the modern day.

2. My Submersi-Bus idea came from a desire to actually do something different from a boat ride. Putting it underwater does that. It also allows Jaws to be a more active, present threat.