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Universal Orlando Resort Expansion (Part 1)

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JungleSkip said:
I have no idea if they are announcing anything soon, but if the timeline is as aggressive as rumored, it would not shock me. The projects that eventually became IoA, CityWalk, and the Resorts were originally announced 5 years before they opened.
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That is very true... But at that point they had already owned the land for a while and had a long while for planning and such before the announcement. Universal hasn't officially owned the new land for even 6 months. I think we are all so excited at the prospect of a 3rd gate that we fail to think of everything that has to take place before they are even ready to announce anything beyond "Yup, its being used for a 3rd gate" right now. I'm certain planning is well underway, but I'm also pretty confident that its nowhere far along enough to warrant any sort of substantial announcement.
 
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That is very true... But at that point they had already owned the land for a while and had a long while for planning and such before the announcement. Universal hasn't officially owned the new land for even 6 months. I think we are all so excited at the prospect of a 3rd gate that we fail to think of everything that has to take place before they are even ready to announce anything beyond "Yup, its being used for a 3rd gate" right now. I'm certain planning is well underway, but I'm also pretty confident that its nowhere far along enough to warrant any sort of substantial announcement.
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I think you're assuming they haven't been planning this for a real long time.
 
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Pretty sure the announcement will be they resurrected John Hammond to design the park and they will spare no expense to welcome you to Universal Park.
 
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JungleSkip said:
I think you're assuming they haven't been planning this for a real long time.
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Based on my very limited insight, I would say that they had a few or many ideas, but making it all one had yet to occur. Based on my additional limited insight, I judge that UC is planning this way offsite in a completely different office building.
 
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Based on my very limited insight, I would say that they had a few or many ideas, but making it all one had yet to occur. Based on my additional limited insight, I judge that UC is planning this way offsite in a completely different office building.
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That would seem likely. Which is why, if there really is an announcement soon, I wouldn't expect it to be more than Beijing's 50,000 ft view we've gotten.

"Hey, we're building a new park! Dunno what's in it really, but it's coming!"
 
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JungleSkip said:
I think you're assuming they haven't been planning this for a real long time.
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Oh I'm sure they have been. But until that land went to auction last year, it was likely a lot of Blue Sky planning in the hopes that they acquire the space to build. Now its a reality, and all that planning has to become more focused. And there are recent events to take into account as well, such as the DreamWorks Animation acquisition. Sure they may have been looking at DreamWorks Animation properties for a third park for a while, but they would a year or two ago been licensing deals with stipulations on usage. Now Universal will own them outright, which will open up a lot of possibilities that may not have existed a year or two ago.
 
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Oh I'm sure they have been. But until that land went to auction last year, it was likely a lot of Blue Sky planning in the hopes that they acquire the space to build. Now its a reality, and all that planning has to become more focused. And there are recent events to take into account as well, such as the DreamWorks Animation acquisition. Sure they may have been looking at DreamWorks Animation properties for a third park for a while, but they would a year or two ago been licensing deals with stipulations on usage. Now Universal will own them outright, which will open up a lot of possibilities that may not have existed a year or two ago.
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Sure, which is why I'm saying if this announcement is coming, and I have no solid reason to think it is at this point, it won't be very detailed.
 
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I suspect the next big announcement will be the details about what is happening at at WnW plot. And some things about the 2 existing parks.
I doubt that the new land will be mentioned.
 
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JungleSkip said:
I've heard they want it by 2021, but I'm not sure how much I believe that.

I think 2022 is more likely, but this is Universal, so '21 is totally possible
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I guess it really all depends on when they start. If they broke ground next year and opened in 2022 that would put the project on par with the pace of the Shanghai Disneyland project. If they broke ground next year and opened in 2020 that would put the project on par with the pace of the Tokyo Disney Sea Project.
 
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I suspect the next big announcement will be the details about what is happening at at WnW plot. And some things about the 2 existing parks.
I doubt that the new land will be mentioned.
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I think they're going to have to mention the new land relatively soon, but this wouldn't surprise me either.

USF has major changes coming, and IoA has at least one project that should start by the end of the year.
 
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My money is on ground breaking for the 3rd park in Jan. 2018. That would give them 3.5 years of construction for a 2021 opening.
 
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Playing with devils advocate for the WNW plot, wouldn't it be possible that the announcement for what goes there can be announced well into construction? Just curious, as it's not impossible.
 
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Playing with devils advocate for the WNW plot, wouldn't it be possible that the announcement for what goes there can be announced well into construction? Just curious, as it's not impossible.
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They tend to announce the hotels before construction starts, so I'm thinking that won't be the case.
 
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My money is on ground breaking for the 3rd park in Jan. 2018. That would give them 3.5 years of construction for a 2021 opening.
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Wow, that is ambitious! If anyone has really early insights it is going to be you! I rarely know what they are scratching on napkins...
 
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SURPRISE! They're inexplicably building an exact clone of Universal Studios Hollywood for our third park.
 
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Also, keep in mind that they did own the land and likely had plans for it before. While there have been some parts of that area taken off the table and also not yet re-acquired, plans probably existed, which likely included at least general infrastructure which could likely be adapted to fit a lot of possible modifications fairly easily. Since they were involved in the site cleanup along with Lockheed they of course know the soil conditions, existing power/water/fiber runs, drainage (minus modifications for development that has and will be happening), the whole nine yards.

I would expect that if they make any kind of announcement on the use of that land by the end of the year, it will be after they have all of the remaining lots tied up with purchase agreements, at least behind the scenes, if not publicly on the books as theirs.
 
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Also, keep in mind that they did own the land and likely had plans for it before. While there have been some parts of that area taken off the table and also not yet re-acquired, plans probably existed, which likely included at least general infrastructure which could likely be adapted to fit a lot of possible modifications fairly easily. Since they were involved in the site cleanup along with Lockheed they of course know the soil conditions, existing power/water/fiber runs, drainage (minus modifications for development that has and will be happening), the whole nine yards.

I would expect that if they make any kind of announcement on the use of that land by the end of the year, it will be after they have all of the remaining lots tied up with purchase agreements, at least behind the scenes, if not publicly on the books as theirs.
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I feel like this makes alot of sense..

isn't the idea of purchasing land through a shell company to conceal identity and not get heavily taxed on it by the owner? For example, if i own the last pieces of land needed to make the land whole and i found out it was Comcast/NBCUniversal I know i can ask for a very very handsome amount of money.

Just saying it would defeat the purpose of hiding these purchases if they're going to publicly come out and say WE"RE BUILDING A PARK HERE!
 
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I feel like this makes alot of sense..

isn't the idea of purchasing land through a shell company to conceal identity and not get heavily taxed on it by the owner? For example, if i own the last pieces of land needed to make the land whole and i found out it was Comcast/NBCUniversal I know i can ask for a very very handsome amount of money.

Just saying it would defeat the purpose of hiding these purchases if they're going to publicly come out and say WE"RE BUILDING A PARK HERE!
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It's mostly so the seller doesn't realize who's buying and raise the price.
 
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It's mostly so the seller doesn't realize who's buying and raise the price.
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Yeah thats what i'm saying.. so if they came out and said hey we bought this land and we're planning to build a park they'd basically be comfortable not owning the rest of the parcels surrounding the land that they supposedly don't own already.
 
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Macfr3ak said:
I feel like this makes alot of sense..

isn't the idea of purchasing land through a shell company to conceal identity and not get heavily taxed on it by the owner? For example, if i own the last pieces of land needed to make the land whole and i found out it was Comcast/NBCUniversal I know i can ask for a very very handsome amount of money.

Just saying it would defeat the purpose of hiding these purchases if they're going to publicly come out and say WE"RE BUILDING A PARK HERE!
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Yeah thats what i'm saying.. so if they came out and said hey we bought this land and we're planning to build a park they'd basically be comfortable not owning the rest of the parcels surrounding the land that they supposedly don't own already.
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This would be a good idea if everyone didn't already know they now own the land. :lol:
 
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