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Universal Great Britain - Speculation & Rumors

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Ludus

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Jake S said:
Put together a news and info thread along with a construction thread. This is the speculation / general discussion thread. Let us know if you've got any questions, comments or complaints. Or compliments for a change. We'd all like that.
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Why not create a sub-forum like Bejing, Singapore and Japan?
 
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This is Quest Put, east of the park, if you recall from the land ownership map I put together it's the flooded section


BBC News - Data centre proposed for stalled Stewartby film studio - BBC News
www.bbc.co.uk

Data centre proposed for stalled Stewartby film studio

Land owners cite "the changing nature of film studio operations" as the reason for this amendment.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
 
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tommyhawkins said:
This is Quest Put, east of the park, if you recall from the land ownership map I put together it's the flooded section


BBC News - Data centre proposed for stalled Stewartby film studio - BBC News
www.bbc.co.uk

Data centre proposed for stalled Stewartby film studio

Land owners cite "the changing nature of film studio operations" as the reason for this amendment.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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A data centre seems like a more viable use of the space in the current climate than a film studio. Not as exciting, but probably a lot more profitable.
 
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The BBC have misquoted the planning application, the application states that the data centre use is key to the film studios and would be phase 2 of the development, I wrote about this on Facebook

 
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From MAGIC...

Post in thread 'Universal UK' Universal UK
 
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The BBC have misquoted the planning application, the application states that the data centre use is key to the film studios and would be phase 2 of the development, I wrote about this on Facebook

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Facebook? I don't know her
 
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Just a thought on the Public Consultation dates - it doesn't feel like a coincidence that the consultation period aligns almost perfectly with the Government Summer Recess. Consultation ends 31st August, Recess ends 1st September.

I don't know what has to happen after the consultation period, but it does lend weight to the government expecting (expected?) to 'get on with it' on their return in September.
 
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Just a thought on the Public Consultation dates - it doesn't feel like a coincidence that the consultation period aligns almost perfectly with the Government Summer Recess. Consultation ends 31st August, Recess ends 1st September.

I don't know what has to happen after the consultation period, but it does lend weight to the government expecting (expected?) to 'get on with it' on their return in September.
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At the end of the consultation period the Planning Minister will be briefed by his civil servants on the consultation response. Particular weight will be given to statutory bodies like Natural England who have to be consulted by law, and to key representative bodies such as Bedford Borough Council and Central Bedfordshire Council who represent the public most directly affected by the proposal. The Minister then needs to reach a decision on whether to grant approval or not. None of this should take an extended period of time, and none of the important responses should be a surprise to the Minister if the government and Universal used the last 12 months to address any concerns and challenges that legitimately rise from such a major development. Any NIMBY responses from the public I suspect will be routinely ignored, so nothing in the consultation response should form a significant barrier to the Minister approving the planning application.

Assuming the planning application is approved by the Minister, the next and final step will be to table the Statutory Instrument ( a piece of secondary legislation) which contains the Special Development Order in the House of Commons and the House of Lords. I think it is likely that they will be tabled as a "Made Negative" SI, which essentially means that it is assumed to be approved by the Commons and the Lords without requiring a debate and a division at the point at which the government tables the SI. Once tabled both Houses have three weeks to proactively raise an objection if they don't want the SI to be made in to law. The chance of this objection being raised and voted on is so vanishingly small it's not worth considering. The Commons and the Lords need to be sitting for this process to be completed, so while Parliament returns from the Summer Recess on 1 September, it rises again for a four-week recess for the party conference season (16 September - 13 October). I'd therefore expect the entire process to be completed and signed in to law by late October, early November. However, the fact that this project has been confirmed by the Prime Minister with an event at No.10 in which he hosted senior executives from Comcast, and Universal Creative continue to hire senior members of the design team alongside continuing preparatory works at the site should tell us all we need to know about whether the planning application has any chance of being denied...
 
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Excellent post @rob@rar
 
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At the end of the consultation period the Planning Minister will be briefed by his civil servants on the consultation response. Particular weight will be given to statutory bodies like Natural England who have to be consulted by law, and to key representative bodies such as Bedford Borough Council and Central Bedfordshire Council who represent the public most directly affected by the proposal. The Minister then needs to reach a decision on whether to grant approval or not. None of this should take an extended period of time, and none of the important responses should be a surprise to the Minister if the government and Universal used the last 12 months to address any concerns and challenges that legitimately rise from such a major development. Any NIMBY responses from the public I suspect will be routinely ignored, so nothing in the consultation response should form a significant barrier to the Minister approving the planning application.

Assuming the planning application is approved by the Minister, the next and final step will be to table the Statutory Instrument ( a piece of secondary legislation) which contains the Special Development Order in the House of Commons and the House of Lords. I think it is likely that they will be tabled as a "Made Negative" SI, which essentially means that it is assumed to be approved by the Commons and the Lords without requiring a debate and a division at the point at which the government tables the SI. Once tabled both Houses have three weeks to proactively raise an objection if they don't want the SI to be made in to law. The chance of this objection being raised and voted on is so vanishingly small it's not worth considering. The Commons and the Lords need to be sitting for this process to be completed, so while Parliament returns from the Summer Recess on 1 September, it rises again for a four-week recess for the party conference season (16 September - 13 October). I'd therefore expect the entire process to be completed and signed in to law by late October, early November. However, the fact that this project has been confirmed by the Prime Minister with an event at No.10 in which he hosted senior executives from Comcast, and Universal Creative continue to hire senior members of the design team alongside continuing preparatory works at the site should tell us all we need to know about whether the planning application has any chance of being denied...
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Thanks for the detailed reply - appreciate you taking the time.
 
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Is there any chance we’ll see something such as a 10 year rough plan in these documents? Nothing nailed down but something rough round the edges.

Or are we expecting them to put in planning permission for every single development within the next ten years whether that’s hotels or whatever else. If so that seems like a lot of work.

So is there a chance this is going to give a rough outline for future plans so they don’t have to go through all that hassle.
 
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Planning docs are out and are just as impenetrable and wordy as I expected.
The maximum height of a structure including non-occupiable features, such as a rollercoaster, within the area of the Core Zone which allows the tallest structures, would be 115m above ground level (AGL).
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Hyperia sweating ;)
 
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Planning docs are out and are just as impenetrable and wordy as I expected.

Hyperia sweating ;)
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I'm going through the planning statement and they're expecting we might hit 12.5m visitors in the future or future year as UDX has put it.
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I'm going through the planning statement and they're expecting we might hit 12.5m visitors in the future or future year as UDX has put it.
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That’s more than Alton, Chessington and Thorpe combined.
 
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Am I reading this right or could the rumours of a direct Eurostar service directly to the site be true?

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https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/685ebd943e6b7941f4e00bbd/01_-_6.1.0_Planning_Statement.pdf#page38

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Am I reading this right or could the rumours of a direct Eurostar service directly to the site be true?

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https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/685ebd943e6b7941f4e00bbd/01_-_6.1.0_Planning_Statement.pdf#page38

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That image definitely demonstrates a direct Eurostar service... nobody can dispute that... :neutral:
 
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That image definitely demonstrates a direct Eurostar service... nobody can dispute that... :neutral:
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It has too doesn’t it otherwise it’d just be a connecting service line to London using the splintered purple line.
 
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I mean, it's certainly implied. Could be an error or wishful thinking, but that line is definitely purple.
 
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Altonsky said:
Am I reading this right or could the rumours of a direct Eurostar service directly to the site be true?

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https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/685ebd943e6b7941f4e00bbd/01_-_6.1.0_Planning_Statement.pdf#page38

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I wouldn’t say the rumours are true but the document definitely shows the Eurostar going to Bedford… not sure how that would work at St. Pancras (trains would have to reverse out of the station to get onto the Midland Mainline to Bedford or a new track link would need to be built but this would bypass the station entirely).
 
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I wouldn’t say the rumours are true but the document definitely shows the Eurostar going to Bedford… not sure how that would work at St. Pancras (trains would have to reverse out of the station to get onto the Midland Mainline to Bedford or a new track link would need to be built but this would bypass the station entirely).
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Is there not the potential to use the underused Stratford International as St Pancras is basically at capacity now anyway for Eurostar services. And with new operators wanting to get into the game they’d have to use different stations anyway.
 
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