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Thinking again of CityWalk, do we think there's any chance of seeing something like the Orlando escape room experiences here? I love an escape room and they're quite popular in the UK but I don't know how well the Orlando concept has worked / been received.
 
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EllieB said:
Thinking again of CityWalk, do we think there's any chance of seeing something like the Orlando escape room experiences here? I love an escape room and they're quite popular in the UK but I don't know how well the Orlando concept has worked / been received.
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I imagine it’d come later down the road but like you said I think most of the criticism has been although they’re really well themed they aren’t great escape rooms
 
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rob@rar said:
I like your speculation for what might be USGB's opening roster and I think it's a reasonable suggestion of what we might find in 2031, but it's definitely stepping beyond a straightforward interpretation of the artwork that Universal published a few days ago. The artwork is vague and Universal know that it will be examined obsessively so their choice of imagery will be deliberate, regardless of whether it's a faithful representation of opening day or whether there is a bit of conscious mis-direction intended to mask a big reveal closer to the date. So on that basis, the artwork gives a reasonable interpretation of opening day roster along these lines:

Lands:
Entrance/Hollywood
Jurassic World
Minions Land
Shrek Land
Back to the Future
Paddington
Waterworld

E-Tickets:
Jurassic World Adventure
Jurassic World Coaster
BTTF Coaster

D-Tickets:
Minion Mayhem
Shrek dark ride?

C-Tickets:
Minions Loop-dee Loop
Paddington dark ride?

B-Tickets:
Minions Super Swirly
Paddington Outdoor Flat Ride x2
Shrek indoor flat ride(s)?

A-Tickets:
Raptor Encounter
Camp Cretaceous

Stunt show:
Waterworld

I think that describes a park which feels a bit lightweight compared to other Universal parks, and unbalanced in the sense that it leans too heavily towards rides and attraction more suitable for younger children rather than teenagers and adults. I think both those concerns are addressed in your speculation, but I don't think it is unreasonable criticism of Universal from those of us who are commenting based on what Universal themselves have released in that artwork. Anything else is either inside-info or a small leap of faith. I don't think that speculating beyond the artwork is unreasonable knowing Universal's track record and what appears to be their level of commitment, financial and otherwise, to this new venture, nevertheless it is a leap of faith.
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That list made me realise just how over-powered Islands of Adventure is - what a ride line-up!

But putting LOTR boat ride on it for the UK is dangerous levels of stretching given zero evidence for either a boat ride or a lord of the rings area on the current layout. I think the talk of new attractions every two years makes a big difference, if that's official then it's no longer a matter of those big empty spaces just being big empty spaces, it's a matter of simply building a true world class resort in stages. I don't think we'll have to wait long to find out, I would imagine planning might even include things not intended for 2031.
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can we take the hyperbole down a notch please.

If were talking about evidence, we can talk about the fact they have intentionally removed quite a lot of parts of the artwork that are incredible obvious for people with experience of this, we can talk about the 3.5 acre section with two buildings far to small to be Dark rides or anything else alone and a very obvious space there for a ride.

We can swap the word "Boat" for another vehicle that goes outside and fills that space and we can swap LOTR for Shrek or whatever IP, but the BBC article wasn't speculation so there's a good chance that's coming and the shrek theming is a curveball.

but everything else on that list is based on known facts about what lands are in the artwork and exist in Beijing. Either way I couldnt care less about speculating about the IP, this was about taking stock of what's observable in the artwork, and saying, even in it's early stages it's far more well formed that what some people have been worried about for a week. And no nothing will be in planning applications that they don't intend to build for opening, that's not how it works

Also when you have show building the size of Mariokart and an IP as popular as Paddington in UK, it most certain wont be a C Ticket ride, it will be a tentpole attraction
 
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tommyhawkins said:
can we take the hyperbole down a notch please.
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Is it hyperbole? I don't think it is, it's simply reflecting on what Universal themselves published. I agree, informed speculation on what might lie behind that artwork could very easily reach what you have speculated on, I don't disagree with your thinking on this. But it does seem a bit harsh to be critical of comments which simply take at face value what Universal themselves published and conclude it feels a bit light. That's not reaching in to hyperbolic criticism of Universal, at all.
 
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Is it hyperbole? I don't think it is, it's simply reflecting on what Universal themselves published. I agree, informed speculation on what might lie behind that artwork could very easily reach what you have speculated on, I don't disagree with your thinking on this. But it does seem a bit harsh to be critical of comments which simply take at face value what Universal themselves published and conclude it feels a bit light. That's not reaching in to hyperbolic criticism of Universal, at all.
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" LOTR boat ride on it for the UK is dangerous levels of stretching given zero evidence"
 
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" LOTR boat ride on it for the UK is dangerous levels of stretching given zero evidence"
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I didn't write that.
 
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I’m unconvinced reinvestment every two years means new ride every two years. Sometimes new attractions are entertainment offerings. Sometimes reinvestment is new interactive windows at potter. I wouldn’t expect a new E-Ticket every year, otherwise the park would run out of room too fast. I would look to USJ, where new entertainment or overlays happen on off years between new rides as an example of how a statement like this can’t be taken to mean literally new rides.

But you never know. The first decade could see great growth, especially if the park opens with bare bones.
 
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Is that 'new investment every two years' comment tracked back entirely to the interview with the MK North MP? I'd guess he picked that up as a passing comment from a briefing by Universal for local parliamentarians, and I'd also guess he and the social media commentary that followed him are making a little bit more of it than Universal intend.
 
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rob@rar said:
Is that 'new investment every two years' comment tracked back entirely to the interview with the MK North MP? I'd guess he picked that up as a passing comment from a briefing by Universal for local parliamentarians, and I'd also guess he and the social media commentary that followed him are making a little bit more of it than Universal intend.
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It is. He said it off camera to the guys who run the YouTube channel, along with the info about the government entirely funding the infrastructure stuff.
 
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" LOTR boat ride on it for the UK is dangerous levels of stretching given zero evidence"
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But their are no signs of boat ride at all, and the BBC article which claimed lord of the rings didn’t even realise the “outdoor coaster” in minions land is a facade so it’s unclear if their sources are just an echo chamber of our speculation.

I stand by my point, would love to be proven wrong, but the probability of lord of the rings boat ride, given what’s shown, simply isn’t high enough at the moment for it to be on comparison lists with actual built parks.

Folks are also assuming buildings are rides, which would leave the park with no real eating areas, that shrek poison apple building, taken at face, is more likely to be a shrek dining place than lord of the rings e ticket

If I’m wrong I’ll change my avatar to Frodo, I promise :)
 
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But their are no signs of boat ride at all, and the BBC article which claimed lord of the rings didn’t even realise the “outdoor coaster” in minions land is a facade so it’s unclear if their sources are just an echo chamber of our speculation.

I stand by my point, would love to be proven wrong, but the probability of lord of the rings boat ride, given what’s shown, simply isn’t high enough at the moment for it to be on comparison lists with actual built parks.

Folks are also assuming buildings are rides, which would leave the park with no real eating areas, that shrek poison apple building, taken at face, is more likely to be a shrek dining place than lord of the rings e ticket

If I’m wrong I’ll change my avatar to Frodo, I promise :)
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I would scroll up and see what folks actually said when they laid out their reasoning
 
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Alicia said:
I’m unconvinced reinvestment every two years means new ride every two years. Sometimes new attractions are entertainment offerings. Sometimes reinvestment is new interactive windows at potter. I wouldn’t expect a new E-Ticket every year, otherwise the park would run out of room too fast. I would look to USJ, where new entertainment or overlays happen on off years between new rides as an example of how a statement like this can’t be taken to mean literally new rides.

But you never know. The first decade could see great growth, especially if the park opens with bare bones.
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I suspect that reinvestment could mean new attractions, but mostly it's likely to mean new shows, events, overlays and small scale changes to existing attractions. For example, DLP has "new" things in their Disneyland Park every year, such as parades, nighttime shows, daytime shows, new scenes on Star Tours, etc., but they haven't had a new ride there since Buzz Lightyear's ride opened like 20 years ago (I'm talking specifically about the Disneyland Park, not the Studios second gate).
 
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Apologies if this has been posted already, I couldn’t see it.

Jim Shull talking about the Bedford Universal Park Layout.

 
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One thing that seems unfortunate about this park layout is how the large body of water may not be utilized to full potential to enhance the themes of the surrounding "lands." In a theme park with a body of water, it's great when the water is "used" diegetically to make the lands along the water more immersive and realistic. New Orleans Square at Disneyland is perhaps the best example of this...New Orleans without water (the Mississippi) would not be nearly as immersive and evocative -- and the Rivers of America and New Orleans Square together are perfection. Many of the pavilions at Epcot use their on-theme waterfronts to great effect, to represent real-world water landmarks like the Seine or Thames, or the Venice canals and gondolas of Italy and Japan's Torii gate. There are many great examples across the world's best theme parks (don't get me started gushing about Tokyo DisneySea).

But in the layout of this park, there seem to be some missed potential. The Hollywood themed entrance leads to the body of water, which doesn't offer much thematically as Hollywood has no body of water. At the minimum, the street could end at a grassy park with palm trees and fountains in the water to evoke nearby Echo Park Lake.
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Hill Valley is situated along the water but that doesn't contribute anything to the theme. I suspect this land could be more effective if it was placed at the back of the park as an inland "valley" (where Waterworld is) so you get there by going through a transition path, perhaps a tunnel themed as the barn Marty McFly crashed into (complete with a DeLorean and steam) or the gates of Lyon Estates, or the entry to the town with a "Welcome to Hill Valley" sign. This land -- which people are very excited about -- should be exploited at an Epic Universe level of immersion and I think its placement and exposure to the lake and rest of theme park will not serve it as well as it deserves.
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Meanwhile, if that is indeed the Waterworld stunt show, how great would that be if it was on the water!? Imagine that atoll was right on the expansive lake to evoke its story-based setting and watery isolation rather than tucked at the back of the park, land-locked. A ramshackle boardwalk path and bridges could encircle the atoll for main traffic flow, but there could be floating snack stands and a bar on the lagoon -- a place to encounter rogue characters with their salty attitudes. This would expand Waterworld from just a beloved live-show into a mini-land of sorts with some food and beverage and a "vibe" you can inhabit for a bit. And why not? While th movie wasn't a success, the attraction surely is, and it's a chance for Universal to build on this IP -- who knows, maybe it could be the basis of a streaming show or more some day? Another benefit of locating Waterworld right on the park's main lake is that a gate could be opened between the show lagoon and lake periodically allowing the jet skis out onto the lake for an enticing "show" beyond the show. Imagine if there were Bellagio-style fountains in that part of the lake and the stunt riders could zip their jet ski's in and around them, as the water blasts skyward, for an exciting amuse-bouche for the main show.
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The point of all this is to point out that what Universal already plans to build could be elevated further simply by the overall layout and planning. Back to the Future's Hill Valley could be a better representation of a rural-origin small town in America if given a landlocked "valley" placement and Waterworld could be more Waterworld-ish on the lake, and the Hollywood boulevard could even be enhanced with an inspiration-based feature down at the lake.

Right now, in the concept art, the lake is massive but underutilized and lifeless. I encourage Universal to rethink the layout, there's a lot of potential there without added cost if more strategic and considered placement is pursued.
 
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DrStarlander said:
One thing that seems unfortunate about this park layout is how the large body of water may not be utilized to full potential to enhance the themes of the surrounding "lands." In a theme park with a body of water, it's great when the water is "used" diegetically to make the lands along the water more immersive and realistic. New Orleans Square at Disneyland is perhaps the best example of this...New Orleans without water (the Mississippi) would not be nearly as immersive and evocative -- and the Rivers of America and New Orleans Square together are perfection. Many of the pavilions at Epcot use their on-theme waterfronts to great effect, to represent real-world water landmarks like the Seine or Thames, or the Venice canals and gondolas of Italy and Japan's Torii gate. There are many great examples across the world's best theme parks (don't get me started gushing about Tokyo DisneySea).

But in the layout of this park, there seem to be some missed potential. The Hollywood themed entrance leads to the body of water, which doesn't offer much thematically as Hollywood has no body of water. At the minimum, the street could end at a grassy park with palm trees and fountains in the water to evoke nearby Echo Park Lake.
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Hill Valley is situated along the water but that doesn't contribute anything to the theme. I suspect this land could be more effective if it was placed at the back of the park as an inland "valley" (where Waterworld is) so you get there by going through a transition path, perhaps a tunnel themed as the barn Marty McFly crashed into (complete with a DeLorean and steam) or the gates of Lyon Estates, or the entry to the town with a "Welcome to Hill Valley" sign. This land -- which people are very excited about -- should be exploited at an Epic Universe level of immersion and I think its placement and exposure to the lake and rest of theme park will not serve it as well as it deserves.
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Meanwhile, if that is indeed the Waterworld stunt show, how great would that be if it was on the water!? Imagine that atoll was right on the expansive lake to evoke its story-based setting and watery isolation rather than tucked at the back of the park, land-locked. A ramshackle boardwalk path and bridges could encircle the atoll for main traffic flow, but there could be floating snack stands and a bar on the lagoon -- a place to encounter rogue characters with their salty attitudes. This would expand Waterworld from just a beloved live-show into a mini-land of sorts with some food and beverage and a "vibe" you can inhabit for a bit. And why not? While th movie wasn't a success, the attraction surely is, and it's a chance for Universal to build on this IP -- who knows, maybe it could be the basis of a streaming show or more some day? Another benefit of locating Waterworld right on the park's main lake is that a gate could be opened between the show lagoon and lake periodically allowing the jet skis out onto the lake for an enticing "show" beyond the show. Imagine if there were Bellagio-style fountains in that part of the lake and the stunt riders could zip their jet ski's in and around them, as the water blasts skyward, for an exciting amuse-bouche for the main show.
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The point of all this is to point out that what Universal already plans to build could be elevated further simply by the overall layout and planning. Back to the Future's Hill Valley could be a better representation of a rural-origin small town in America if given a landlocked "valley" placement and Waterworld could be more Waterworld-ish on the lake, and the Hollywood boulevard could even be enhanced with an inspiration-based feature down at the lake.

Right now, in the concept art, the lake is massive but underutilized and lifeless. I encourage Universal to rethink the layout, there's a lot of potential there without added cost if more strategic and considered placement is pursued.
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Well the water is being used thematically by two or three lands at least. With the Jaws area in Hollywood, the Jurassic World waterfall and the pier theming in minion land. That's like way more than USF. If you put a show in the middle of the lake there's the practical aspect to it ....which is probably so many concept art for theme parks start with an island then quickly kill the idea because it's completely impractical. Plus apart from this lake probably being needed for drainage it will also be utilised for a show.

Whilst it's fairly moderate this far south im not sure what palm trees can thrive in our winters, but they do grow. but the lagoon is certainly surrounded by trees on the artwork. So it seems like they've already thought of that?
 
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If we’re talking about lakes, ideally I’d love to see it connect to CityWalk similar to how it works in Orlando. That way, any hotels built on the northern parcel of land could have boat transportation, creating a really nice transit system with a river-like feel that links all the resorts and parks across the Universal site.


Unfortunately, Manor Road disrupts any natural flow between the two parcels. Unless they were to build bridges or tunnels the road, Manor road essentially cuts the site in two. But realistically, that kind of infrastructure would probably be far too costly.
 
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Also Could anyone share some light on rumores i keep hearing about Eurostar being extended to Universal? I think very unlikely but would be a gamechanger.
 
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I think the park is just missing one E ticket dark ride Considering this is a country without one real proper high quality dark ride, opening probably the best Dark Ride in Europe for opening is ok. But I expect a E ticker Dark ride 2 for 2036/7ish?
 
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Also Could anyone share some light on rumores i keep hearing about Eurostar being extended to Universal? I think very unlikely but would be a gamechanger.
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I'd say the chance of Eurostar being extended are practically zero. You need very long platforms to hold Eurostar trains. And you'd need passport control at the Universal station. The new Wixams Station would not be able to accommodate either. I'm also not actually sure if its physically possible for Eurostar trains to join non-Eurostar tracks that leave via 'mainline' tracks north of London.

It's also just quite unnecessary. Eurostar terminates at St Pancras. The frequent Thameslink service passes through St Pancras every 15 mins or so on its way to Bedford (and eventually the new Wixams Station at Universal). It's much easier and cheaper to just encourage Eurostar passengers to use the Thameslink service than it would be to extend Eurostar to Universal.
 
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JT01 said:
Also Could anyone share some light on rumores i keep hearing about Eurostar being extended to Universal? I think very unlikely but would be a gamechanger.
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Apologies if you’re already aware, the Eurostar terminal at St Pancras is about 100-150 meters from the the platforms that have trains from St Pancras to Bedford. These are the fast trains and easy to get to just up the escalators inside the station.

So it’s not to bad to switch trains as it is.

I am curious how quickly someone could get from say Paris to Bedford including the switch plus passport control at St Pancras etc.
 
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