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Universal Expansion Plan??? Project LUPA???

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Ok, here's what I came up with.

The larger central parcel in the print below was sold to Fourth Quarter Properties 129 LLC by Universal City Property Management III LLC in September of 2006.

The middle parcel on the upper right as well as the small one on the other side of the turnpike was sold by Orlando Central Park Inc to Universal City Property Management in December of 1998. They still own it.


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Marc Watson is one of the guys responsible for Universal Studios Florida's existence and has been a HUGE proponent of the I-Drive Corridore Monorail. He actually wanted the new Orlando Magic Arena in the attractions area. The fact that he is involved is a good thing. And the fact that UCF Rosen College of Hospitality Management is on Universal Blvd isn't blind luck. This has been part of the grand plan for a very long time. Why do you think Universal Blvd goes all the way to the 528?
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What is his role with Universal right now, do you know? He seems to be involved with Universal in some way as a high-level employee, but I'm not clear in what capacity.

I am very interested in why Tax Deed Enterprises bought the one lot they did, and am also curious to see if they snatch up any other lots that the county takes due to default/tax delinquencies. I can't place it, but they're the thing that smells funny to me.
 
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From Marc's website
Universal Studios: Prior to founding ICT, Marc was an Executive with Universal Studios, where he served in a variety of creative development roles, including the Director of Development for Universal Creative and the President of Universal City Properties. Significant creative development work with Universal Studios included:

Director for the development of Super Hero Island at Universal’s Islands of Adventure.
Director for the “Amazing Adventures of Spiderman”, one of the most technologically advanced theme simulation experiences in the world, and the recipient of the 2000 TEA Award.
Director for the “Incredible Hulk Coaster”
Design Principal for “Isla Nublar, Home of Jurassic Park”
Creative Director and Principal for the Universal City Universal Boulevard Expansion Programs.
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eta:

Marc Watson is a Registered Professional Engineer and is the President of Imagine Creative Technology, LLC, an intellectual property development company headquartered at Universal Studios, Florida.
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I feel as though we have been here, in this discussion before. Alas, I have no knowledge of long range projects and never will. I only have knowledge of, or interest in, what is currently being created, who is creating what, and how they are creating it.
 
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Ok,so this is my 1st post ever on here so bare with me please.I have wandered for a long time if Disney forcing people to stay on property now to get all the great benefits they offer is rubbing a lot of the business,s on I-Drive the wrong way.I find it rather interesting how every new entertainment venue of some sort is being built around I-Drive and Universal.I could see everyone with a business on or around Universal and I-Drive striving towards anything that would put the crunch on Disney and maybe keep them from trying to steal the tourist from staying on I-drive and around it.Now maybe im looking into this way to much,but I found it interesting that Merlin and Fun Spot didn't build there investment closer to 192 or Disney or in the case of Fun Spot build the Old Town spot bigger and more improved.I could see that every business owner around I-Drive and Universal all pulling together to make that area THE NEW BIG THING in Central Florida.Like I said maybe im way off basis here but was interested in how everyone felt.
 
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@hatetofly How do you think this document (especially page 22) fits into the puzzle?
 
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Skubersky said:
@hatetofly How do you think this document (especially page 22) fits into the puzzle?
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I'm at work right now do I can't look at this until tomorrow afternoon. Btw we still need to meet up and discuss a few things :thumbs:
 
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Yes we do! I'm at the parks tomorrow but then am out of town until next Tues...

Also, I was forwarded this proposal, but I assume it is long dead?
http://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/91777070
 
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I've been doing a bit more research into who Tax Deed Enterprise LLC is and it's owned or run by Hanno Luettmer http://www.bizapedia.com/people/HANNO-LUETTMER.html
I checked on the comptrollers website and OCPA website and he's got a few properties around town. He's founded several corporations in the last couple years.
http://www.bizapedia.com/fl/ROSEMONT-HOLDINGS-LLC.html
http://www.bizapedia.com/fl/SKI-LAKE-ORLANDO-LLC.htmlhttp://www.bizapedia.com/fl/THE-WHALERS-SALOON-LLC.html
http://www.bizapedia.com/fl/TAX-DEED-ENTERPRISES-LLC.html

I also remember Looper Holdings coming up in my searches for Tax Deed Enterprises but Looper Holdings was dissolved last year.
http://corporatedir.com/us/company/looper-holdings-corporation-p07000120771

So I'm not sure how Tax Deed's property directly to the right of OCCC is part of what I found on the comptrollers website the other day. This is UORBUZZ by the way. Krycek is my favorite X-Files hero/villain. But still Page 22 of what I posted still seems to differ a little from what HateToFly posted. I didn't mean to start tons of speculation about everything the other day. The property is definitely a large beautiful piece of land that seems to me to be ripe for development. I personally think that if Universal feels like it needs to grow and can handle the growth responsibly without overextending itself that that would be a very nice piece of land.

I never intended my twitter account to be starting rumors or anything. I mostly just take pictures. Though I get a little lazy sometimes and don't work on posting pictures like I had originally intended. I do feel there's a lot of potential for the property and I'll always keep a watchful eye out for things.

Anyway, goodnight all, it's almost 2am.
 
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Disneyhead said:
Marc Watson is one of the guys responsible for Universal Studios Florida's existence and has been a HUGE proponent of the I-Drive Corridore Monorail. He actually wanted the new Orlando Magic Arena in the attractions area. The fact that he is involved is a good thing. And the fact that UCF Rosen College of Hospitality Management is on Universal Blvd isn't blind luck. This has been part of the grand plan for a very long time. Why do you think Universal Blvd goes all the way to the 528?
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I know that UCF Rosen as is has a huge connection to Universal Orlando. After Mr. Rosen, UOR was one of the highest donors to the campus, and they all but paid for the library. I agree that Shingle Creek and UCF Rosen having their proximity to Universal is no meer coincidence, besides the obvious fact that it is close to the attractions.
 
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Another piece of the puzzle! Any thoughts on this:
http://retail.thomasent.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=162&Itemid=218
"The Boulevard Orlando
Casual luxury and luxury retailing combines with unique dining, boutique and luxury hotels and upscale residences in a waterfront environment

Close proximity to Disney World, Sea World and Universal Studios; The Boulevard Orland is situated squarely in the midst of an unparalleled tourism market – more than 50 million visitors a year

Immediately adjacent to the Orange County Convention Center (OCCC), a 7-million square-foot facility that plays host to 300 events and more than 1.4 million attendees per year

There are 967 events with 13 million attendees booked at OCCC through 2028, estimated to generate some $13.8 billion in revenue

Orlando attracts 47 million domestic visitors annually, spending $28 billion; 73 percent drive and 24 percent fly. And three million international visitors who sped in excess of $1.62 billion annually

Orlando in number one in the U.S. for job creation and growth according to the April 2007 edition of Business 2.0 magazine

Anchors: to be named"
 
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^ As the website is dated 2007 and was never completely finished, I would assume that the idea never panned out.
 
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That's what I figured, trying to get someone at Thomas to confirm...
 
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Just want to clarify things. I do a lot of work in planning/zoning and development. Universal City Development Partners III (UCDPIII) is not in anyway affliated with NBCUniversal or Comcast.
Prior iterations of UDCP were owned by Universal Studios/Blackstone.

The maps and documents you have uncovered are just Land Use Map Changes, in reality they are not doing much since this was all ready a Planned Development (PD). Mixed Use overlays allow for less restrictions on a developer. Mainly things like the number of parking spots required, how much green space required.

UCDP III and Forth Quarter ### are both LLCs of Thomas Enterprises. He purchased the company UCDP II from Vevendi with grand hopes of developing the site. He was immediately plagued with hazardous waste cleanup from the decades of Lockheed missiles and landfills that the feds were requiring them to now clean up, at huge cost.

Stanley Thomas was soon over his head in debt from buying property all over the world as we went into a new economic downfall. IA Orlando Sandlake's property that they (Inland Group) foreclosed on when Thomas could not repay the mortgage on the land. Thomas also became years behind in property taxes, and liens began to pile up. It does appear that the property now has clear titles.

The land use changes approved also require the property owners/developers to complete internal road projects like the extension of Mandarin Drive from Sand Lake Road to terminate at Via Mercado and Universal Blvd. It will parallel Lockheed's South Perimeter Road for that portion. They will also be required to at some point extend South Kirkman from its current terminus at Sand Lake Road and extend south through the site to connect at Universal Blvd and Tradeshow Road. The Destination Parkway project on the south of the property is almost complete the last segment is out to bid right now, to connect from Tradeshow Road on the west to the current terminus at Lake Cay Commons on Universal Blvd. The last 2 major roads will bring traffic south without navigating the I-drive, and east to John Young Parkway without having to on toll roads.

Now, could Comcast come in and get the property on the cheap and cleaned? Possibly. Honestly as someone who sees zoning issues a lot, quite often a land owner will be required to get zoning changed as a condition of sale. Why would Comcast purchase something that they can't develop. Thomas has been dealing with this Land Use Change for almost a year with the county.
 
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Now, could Comcast come in and get the property on the cheap and cleaned? Possibly. Honestly as someone who sees zoning issues a lot, quite often a land owner will be required to get zoning changed as a condition of sale. Why would Comcast purchase something that they can't develop. Thomas has been dealing with this Land Use Change for almost a year with the county.
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This part is intriguing. Like DH said it would be like rocket science with all of the private deals in preparation of the public deals.
 
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Just want to clarify things. I do a lot of work in planning/zoning and development. Universal City Development Partners III (UCDPIII) is not in anyway affliated with NBCUniversal or Comcast.
Prior iterations of UDCP were owned by Universal Studios/Blackstone.

The maps and documents you have uncovered are just Land Use Map Changes, in reality they are not doing much since this was all ready a Planned Development (PD). Mixed Use overlays allow for less restrictions on a developer. Mainly things like the number of parking spots required, how much green space required.

UCDP III and Forth Quarter ### are both LLCs of Thomas Enterprises. He purchased the company UCDP II from Vevendi with grand hopes of developing the site. He was immediately plagued with hazardous waste cleanup from the decades of Lockheed missiles and landfills that the feds were requiring them to now clean up, at huge cost.

Stanley Thomas was soon over his head in debt from buying property all over the world as we went into a new economic downfall. IA Orlando Sandlake's property that they (Inland Group) foreclosed on when Thomas could not repay the mortgage on the land. Thomas also became years behind in property taxes, and liens began to pile up. It does appear that the property now has clear titles.

The land use changes approved also require the property owners/developers to complete internal road projects like the extension of Mandarin Drive from Sand Lake Road to terminate at Via Mercado and Universal Blvd. It will parallel Lockheed's South Perimeter Road for that portion. They will also be required to at some point extend South Kirkman from its current terminus at Sand Lake Road and extend south through the site to connect at Universal Blvd and Tradeshow Road. The Destination Parkway project on the south of the property is almost complete the last segment is out to bid right now, to connect from Tradeshow Road on the west to the current terminus at Lake Cay Commons on Universal Blvd. The last 2 major roads will bring traffic south without navigating the I-drive, and east to John Young Parkway without having to on toll roads.

Now, could Comcast come in and get the property on the cheap and cleaned? Possibly. Honestly as someone who sees zoning issues a lot, quite often a land owner will be required to get zoning changed as a condition of sale. Why would Comcast purchase something that they can't develop. Thomas has been dealing with this Land Use Change for almost a year with the county.
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I get what you are saying, but any ideas on what HTF posted, the first two points on page 92? They seem to be mentioning Universal Studios South Campus and Universal Studios Development...would these just be mentions that the roadway will be changing from four lanes to six to accommodate extra traffic due to UOR expansions on their current property? Or could this be a hint that UOR will be using some of the property in these zones?
 
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Universal Studios South Campus is just a generic name. Likely due to the largest portion, 340 acres, is under the name Universal Studios property management - site development south end. Which is a holding of Thomas Enterprises. That name and Universal Studios Development, are just leftovers from when it was owned by Universal/Blackstone.

The mention of the road developments is to keep the developer from building a huge development and have it all dump onto the current overloaded road system. It spells out that if they develop something with more than so many daily trips, that they cannot build anything else until the roadways are improved. Thus forcing the developer to cough up $$ to do the improvements. Since the roadways are on their property. No different than a subdivision builder have to build the roads then the city/county takes possession of the completed roadway.

As of right now there is no indication that NBCUniversal/Comcast has any dealings with this property. It looks as if either Thomas Enterprises is ready to develop or sell the site whole or piecemeal. He will still have to come before Orange County Board of County Commissioners with a site plan for any development. As of right now there are no platted sites in the 340 acre parcel. The right of ways for South Kirkman's extension are already defined in the current plat.

Give it time, most likely this will just be a build out of The Boulevard site he proposed years ago.
There will be some changes however, he is now not asking for any residential units, only hotel/timeshares. The initial plan was for over 5000 residents on the site in condos and single family housing. But the recent plan approved by Orange County Board of County Commissioners now is only allowing Hotel/Timeshares on the remaining property. Portions of the original site have been subdivided and developed into apartments and condos, but the remaining cannot.

As far as "attractions 300+/- acres" there are deed restrictions placed on the site by the Vivendi sale that limits attractions to smaller projects. Much like those already found on I-drive. With a $2 Million cap per project, thus keeping anyone from building anything substantial.

In the end.. Just expect a second golf course, more shopping centers, a couple more hotels/resorts, and toss in a few roadside attractions. While I personally would love for it to be the 3-4th gate like intended, Vivendi sold it off in a fire sale, when times were tough. I was working for Universal Escape when we bought that land, but it seems the previous ownership group saw no reasons to save it when they were broke. The same goes with the North Employee lot becoming apartments.

Universal will have to be creative with any further expansions. By possibly moving support services like Merchandise, Food, administration and sound stages off site. Possibly near South Kirkland and Sandlake where there are industrial zones, but also are only 10-15 minutes off property. NBC/Universal already has its Golf Channel Studios in that area.
 
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Universal Studios South Campus is just a generic name. Likely due to the largest portion, 340 acres, is under the name Universal Studios property management - site development south end. Which is a holding of Thomas Enterprises. That name and Universal Studios Development, are just leftovers from when it was owned by Universal/Blackstone.

The mention of the road developments is to keep the developer from building a huge development and have it all dump onto the current overloaded road system. It spells out that if they develop something with more than so many daily trips, that they cannot build anything else until the roadways are improved. Thus forcing the developer to cough up $$ to do the improvements. Since the roadways are on their property. No different than a subdivision builder have to build the roads then the city/county takes possession of the completed roadway.

As of right now there is no indication that NBCUniversal/Comcast has any dealings with this property. It looks as if either Thomas Enterprises is ready to develop or sell the site whole or piecemeal. He will still have to come before Orange County Board of County Commissioners with a site plan for any development. As of right now there are no platted sites in the 340 acre parcel. The right of ways for South Kirkman's extension are already defined in the current plat.

Give it time, most likely this will just be a build out of The Boulevard site he proposed years ago.
There will be some changes however, he is now not asking for any residential units, only hotel/timeshares. The initial plan was for over 5000 residents on the site in condos and single family housing. But the recent plan approved by Orange County Board of County Commissioners now is only allowing Hotel/Timeshares on the remaining property. Portions of the original site have been subdivided and developed into apartments and condos, but the remaining cannot.

As far as "attractions 300+/- acres" there are deed restrictions placed on the site by the Vivendi sale that limits attractions to smaller projects. Much like those already found on I-drive. With a $2 Million cap per project, thus keeping anyone from building anything substantial.

In the end.. Just expect a second golf course, more shopping centers, a couple more hotels/resorts, and toss in a few roadside attractions. While I personally would love for it to be the 3-4th gate like intended, Vivendi sold it off in a fire sale, when times were tough. I was working for Universal Escape when we bought that land, but it seems the previous ownership group saw no reasons to save it when they were broke. The same goes with the North Employee lot becoming apartments.

Universal will have to be creative with any further expansions. By possibly moving support services like Merchandise, Food, administration and sound stages off site. Possibly near South Kirkland and Sandlake where there are industrial zones, but also are only 10-15 minutes off property. NBC/Universal already has its Golf Channel Studios in that area.
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Thank you for posting and for clarifying all that up.
 
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^ Talk about putting an entire thread to rest! Very informative!
 
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^ Talk about putting an entire thread to rest! Very informative!
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IDK if it puts the whole thread to rest, but it is a lot of facts to consider. From the looks of it the large area designated as the attraction would fit another 18-hole course and a resort (adding to the existing 18-holes, making up the 36-holes). Then the rest of the space being used for other hotels, shops and restaurants. But we do not know if this is actually finally happening.

It also brings up the question of Universal allegedly having plans for 10,000 more hotel rooms. I believe it was the mayor, who may have misspoke, or may have let the cat out of the bag a little early. It would take a project this big to support that many rooms, and this is the last large cache of undeveloped land near UOR. Now would be the time to do it, if that's what Comcast is after.
 
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