State of USH - What's Next?

[Jake S]

No no no you need the attractions to stay at a hotel.....if there are no new draws then the hotels will either be empty or barley making profits

i implore you to actually think about how someone other than yourself visits the park and the surrounding area. literally walk into one of the hotels on the hill on a weekend sometime. they are somehow, someway, doing just fine!

 

[TheUniC6]

But USH needs more things if they just stop after the coaster....good luck because Disney is going to each your lunch

Part of me thinks all three things for DCA might be ready by LA2028. I know that might seem far fetched, but Avatar is only taking up just a portion of the backlot sparing the sunset showcase theater. Based on the concept art it looks like the old Hollywood and dine structure is being repurposed for some sort of eatery. The most substantial new thing will be the showbuilding for the E ticket boat ride.

 

[Michael S]

What?

No no no you need the attractions to stay at a hotel.....if there are no new draws then the hotels will either be empty or barley making profits

HHN shows that the park needs more to do not hotels...people will come when you give them a reason hotels or not. The hotels would be cool for guests but USH is mostly a local park which is why right now if you go a day when its not HHN the parks are empty....Grinchmas brings in locals and then we get to the slow season because for whatever reason they refuse to do Lunar News Years. I mean its not that hard use the plaza and bring in shows, make a food pass and if Panda ever leaves bring it back as a seasonal attraction making its demand go up

But USH needs more things if they just stop after the coaster....good luck because Disney is going to each your lunch

People do other things besides visiting the park when they stay at the Hilton and Sheraton that are currently on property. Universal wants a cut of that. It’s not all about staying on property for multiple days at the park.

 

[Horror Lover]

I'm with you. A number of us have said it in past discussions over the years, too, but Hollywood's own version of Dark Universe would just feel... right. Hell, if they don't want to clone Monsters Unchained or Gringotts to keep Orlando "unique," merge the two concepts together into a wholly different monsters-themed ride to anchor the land. But either way, the success of the land at EU has hopefully shown Universal that if there's an appetite for it in Orlando, then there's absolutely one for it in Hollywood.

I always said the best way to kill two birds with one stone is Gringotts + Universal Monsters for USH.

 

[Jerroddragon]

i implore you to actually think about how someone other than yourself visits the park and the surrounding area. literally walk into one of the hotels on the hill on a weekend sometime. they are somehow, someway, doing just fine!

For now....I think you guys are not looking at the numbers right now travel is down

We don't need more rooms we need things to do

That is what brings people in...the hotel will make money for sure but we need two? right now with this inflation and people not wanting to visit the US anytime soon?

Once again Disneyland is the top dog, you follow there lead they are building all these attraction and USH plan is hotels....

People here might crap on Disney but they are on top for a reason they have event year round and keep building new things.

HHN is a sold out event and guess what was not needed? Hotels because you don't need to stay at USH its super easy to even get from burbank to USH like within 15 mins at max in the morning

USH needs more things, we need another show area for event like HHN and Fan fest so they can grow and hold more people.....then in 10 years get more hotels but the park needs more sooner then later every year we don't see another new ride or land is millions off the table

 

[Michael S]

For now....I think you guys are not looking at the numbers right now travel is down

We don't need more rooms we need things to do

That is what brings people in...the hotel will make money for sure but we need two? right now with this inflation and people not wanting to visit the US anytime soon?

Once again Disneyland is the top dog, you follow there lead they are building all these attraction and USH plan is hotels....

People here might crap on Disney but they are on top for a reason they have event year round and keep building new things.

HHN is a sold out event and guess what was not needed? Hotels because you don't need to stay at USH its super easy to even get from burbank to USH like within 15 mins at max in the morning

USH needs more things, we need another show area for event like HHN and Fan fest so they can grow and hold more people.....then in 10 years get more hotels but the park needs more sooner then later every year we don't see another new ride or land is millions off the table

Really? I might even stay at a hotel for horror nights this year if it’s reasonable cuz getting to USH from Torrance is a total pain depending when you leave. Not everyone is coming from where you stay at, and not everyone is staying at the hotel solely for the park. They also have been adding to the park consistently over the last decade, and they are planning on adding even more. I think you need to take a step back and see the bigger picture.

 

[mccgavin]

Also, it's a bit "scary" for the GP. Something I think USH is trying to stray from. Epic can get away with having a more frightening land at their park because they have all the space in the world to work with. USH doesn't. They need to choose what they commit what remaining space they have left very carefully.

You mentioned you haven't seen Monsters Unchained, but just for context, it really isn't all that scary. It's pretty comparable in tone to Revenge of The Mummy. Forbidden Journey is a lot more "frightening" all things considered.

 

[Mad Dog]

Different park, Orlando, but the reason I stay at an onsite hotel is I get to enjoy the ''totality' of the resort, parks, Citywalk, hotel restaurants bars,
in a leisurely no traveling to and from atmosphere. If UOR didn't have on site hotels I probably wouldn't visit Universal much. But since I love
that everything in walking distance leisurely experience, I spend long vacations at UOR. On site hotels are important and Universal gets way more
money from a onsite hotel guest than one who arrives as a day guest.

 

[Ron101]

Really? I might even stay at a hotel for horror nights this year if it’s reasonable cuz getting to USH from Torrance is a total pain depending when you leave. Not everyone is coming from where you stay at, and not everyone is staying at the hotel solely for the park. They also have been adding to the park consistently over the last decade, and they are planning on adding even more. I think you need to take a step back and see the bigger picture.

It’s going to be too expensive lol. I always say this about visiting Disneyland as I live far but I can’t justify the price. Even the hotels across the street are too much.

 

[KlownzNskullZ]

It’s going to be too expensive lol. I always say this about visiting Disneyland as I live far but I can’t justify the price. Even the hotels across the street are too much.

Plus with Disneyland, they had magic hour included with the hotels. They HAD perks along with the hotel room. I know people are using the hotel rooms at HHN to get express passes. And they don’t even stay in the room.

 

[Jerroddragon]

Really? I might even stay at a hotel for horror nights this year if it’s reasonable cuz getting to USH from Torrance is a total pain depending when you leave. Not everyone is coming from where you stay at, and not everyone is staying at the hotel solely for the park. They also have been adding to the park consistently over the last decade, and they are planning on adding even more. I think you need to take a step back and see the bigger picture.

You still went right?

I went and closed out 2 nights and drove and hour home after. Its not fun but we do it because the Carrot is worth it and there

I'm not saying having a hotel would not be nice for some people but the park is limited and the studio refuses to give room to grow so for me we don't need two hotels and wish they made the rumored H lot Hotel and used all the other space in the front for 2-3 new lands.

If there were no hotels near by I would be 100% on peoples side that a hotel is a must but it's not the park has been around for years without one and you can make a few thousand people happy or million with new lands to draw people and like to me thats much more money

If you draw in even just 1 Million more people a year the tickets, merch alone will make more then the hotel and once again be something more people experience. Plus HHN is capped because of how big the park is you take the hotel space with new areas for houses and rides you can add 3+ thousand guests a night to the event making them more money on drinks, merch, EA and express tickets

So I understand we don't agree but as someone who travels to SD and Disneyland and stays at none park hotels, I just don't see them as necessary got get a normal hotel room and drive or take the metro here.

But anyway I've made my point I think 2-3 new lands would make USH more money in the future because
1) New attractions drive traffic (HHN shows this very well its sold out...no site hotel and its not stopping people from coming)
2) Adds Park Capacity
3) Allows HHN and Fan fest to grow with new areas and hopefully a new show venue to use
4) By becoming a bigger park maybe we can finally have less off seasons when the parks literally close at 6 PM

 

[Jake S]

So I understand we don't agree but as someone who travels to SD and Disneyland and stays at none park hotels, I just don't see them as necessary got get a normal hotel room and drive or take the metro here

again, for perhaps the millionth time, you are not the only person on earth. i do not understand how someone who spends so much time on a discussion forum can be so completely allergic to taking on new information.

 

[Jerroddragon]

again, for perhaps the millionth time, you are not the only person on earth. i do not understand how someone who spends so much time on a discussion forum can be so completely allergic to taking on new information.

You aren't either

Its bad faith on both side you want a hotel, I don't because I want more to do at the park, more things to draw people and make the park operate past 6 PM and to expand both HHN and Fan fest

If you really think my points aren't valid cool but for me the best way to get more people here is building attractions, shows and areas for HHN and Fan fest to use. I gave my what and why and you can disagree but I think my path would allow for much more money to come in the long term and would affect millions more guests then a hotel.

So if your vote is one hotel vs a HHTYD land/Dreamworks land and More Potter/Nintendo I'm sorry but I think most people would be excited by 2 new lands then one hotel

 

[Brian G.]

You aren't either

Its bad faith on both side you want a hotel, I don't because I want more to do at the park, more things to draw people and make the park operate past 6 PM and to expand both HHN and Fan fest

If you really think my points aren't valid cool but for me the best way to get more people here is building attractions, shows and areas for HHN and Fan fest to use. I gave my what and why and you can disagree but I think my path would allow for much more money to come in the long term and would affect millions more guests then a hotel.

So if your vote is one hotel vs a HHTYD land/Dreamworks land and More Potter/Nintendo I'm sorry but I think most people would be excited by 2 new lands then one hotel

And where do you put all these people who want to come visit these new attractions? You keep acting like it's one or the other. You can get both. They aren't going to put a new attraction where the security hub is currently sitting....

 

[Freak]

And where do you put all these people who want to come visit these new attractions? You keep acting like it's one or the other. You can get both. They aren't going to put a new attraction where the security hub is currently sitting....

Not with that attitude!

 

[Jerroddragon]

And where do you put all these people who want to come visit these new attractions? You keep acting like it's one or the other. You can get both. They aren't going to put a new attraction where the security hub is currently sitting....

Put them where?

You get a hotel room in the surround area, 99% of USH and Disneyland visitors already don't get a room thats connected to the theme park. Burbank, The Valley and Hollywood have hotels. When I go to Florida I rent a car and either stay at a hotel on site or off.

If they want the H hot area to be a hotel go for it, its not that large and already is not being used for theme park besides HHN

The front area is huge with the parking lot area they are willing to use plus if they reroute the people from the Frankenstein lot you can use the old Saddle Ranch area along with the current entrance and 60%

You make a small subsection of the park that is like it now but add a restaurant for the VIP tours Then, add two lands for example HTTYD and Zelda would be able to be right next to each other and not cause much issues having both right there. Zelda gets a dark ride and Dragons get a flat ride with a coaster that flys above the land to make use of the space

But with the with them building a new entrance they can use the space better by having the Dinning on top of the guest relations building you get a nice view of the people walking in and down the street and people see you wanting to be where you are and creating more interest in the tours.

They could also use this time to redo the Plaza if they wanted and make it bigger since more people will be coming to HHN and grinchmas and hopefully if crowds are bigger they can have Lunar New years come back and make it bigger then ever and maybe even try a food festival like food and wine

 

[Brian G.]

Put them where?

You get a hotel room in the surround area, 99% of USH and Disneyland visitors already don't get a room thats connected to the theme park. Burbank, The Valley and Hollywood have hotels. When I go to Florida I rent a car and either stay at a hotel on site or off.

There's a reason why Universal, Disney, and even Knott's have on-site hotels....

 

[Jerroddragon]

There's a reason why Universal, Disney, and even Knott's have on-site hotels....

They do but also most guests do not use them. They cost way more

Its a big privilege to be able to afford these in CA. This isn't Florida I have lived here my entire life and Stay at Disneyland 1-2 times a year and never stayed at a hotel at the resort and had a blast every time, I'm literally going with my Wife to Disneyland for Christmas and staying off site...its not bad at least to me. Knotts I stay at cheap places for scary farm in the past and if I did have to get a hotel near USH its not hard to find one within a 15 min drive or one near a metro station and come over that way...or uber.

To me if it was an issues then HHN would not be sold out right now, people want things they like a few would loveeee a hotel and I am not denying that but more want things to do. These new lands not only bring in more people and give the park more space to play with but also allows more merch, Pokemon, Zelda, HTTYD, more potter and Monsters all have things they can sell us as well. Universal has gotten very well with that Zelda Power Bands, a Pokemon in park game device, More Wands and so on make them alot plus themed food and drinks make them a killing.

 

[Brian G.]

They do but also most guests do not use them. They cost way more

Its a big privilege to be able to afford these in CA. This isn't Florida I have lived here my entire life and Stay at Disneyland 1-2 times a year and never stayed at a hotel at the resort and had a blast every time, I'm literally going with my Wife to Disneyland for Christmas and staying off site...its not bad at least to me. Knotts I stay at cheap places for scary farm in the past and if I did have to get a hotel near USH its not hard to find one within a 15 min drive or one near a metro station and come over that way...or uber.

By that logic - all the on-site hotels would be sitting empty. Obviously, there is a demand for them.... Which brings us back to...

again, for perhaps the millionth time, you are not the only person on earth. i do not understand how someone who spends so much time on a discussion forum can be so completely allergic to taking on new information.

Not everyone vacations the same. I'm not in CA. I can't just take a Metro or an Uber, especially with a 2-year-old, so I would need something on-site or as close to on-site as possible with transportation options. If Hilton and Sheraton are either too expensive or all booked, then what?

 

[mccgavin]

They do but also most guests do not use them.

This is verifiably false.

Its a big privilege to be able to afford these in CA. This isn't Florida I have lived here my entire life and Stay at Disneyland 1-2 times a year and never stayed at a hotel at the resort and had a blast every time, I'm literally going with my Wife to Disneyland for Christmas and staying off site...its not bad at least to me. Knotts I stay at cheap places for scary farm in the past and if I did have to get a hotel near USH its not hard to find one within a 15 min drive or one near a metro station and come over that way...or uber.

To me if it was an issues then HHN would not be sold out right now, people want things they like a few would loveeee a hotel and I am not denying that but more want things to do. These new lands not only bring in more people and give the park more space to play with but also allows more merch, Pokemon, Zelda, HTTYD, more potter and Monsters all have things they can sell us as well. Universal has gotten very well with that Zelda Power Bands, a Pokemon in park game device, More Wands and so on make them alot plus themed food and drinks make them a killing.

I think its important to consider your own needs and experience are not necessarily the same as everyone else. A on-site hotel is not going to be as meaningful for AP holders, but it is significant for tourists, which make up the largest segment of guests. Adding a hotel legitimizes USH as a proper resort destination.