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fryoj said:
As for the Dreamworks IP's, none of them are anchors at this point IMO. 5 years ago Shrek was. Madagascar, KFP, and HTTYD never were huge. Decent midrange IP's, but not anything you tie anything more than a ride to, and all are on their way downhill or past their prime. Trolls is an interesting case as it's got huge merch numbers, I just can't get behind it as an anchor. That might be just personal preference though. But even if you combine all of the Dreamworks IP's into a land, its just a hodgepodge and not an anchor. They aren't going to make any of them as a park weenie. Mario on the other hand can give them that. In USF, Mario will always play second fiddle to Potter.
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Universal doesn't need every land to be an anchor. They just need one or two characters that they can use in advertising and lesser characters to fill out the park. Harry Potter and Nintendo are those anchors right now. DreamWorks just fills out the roster.

That said, when Nintendo was first announced, it was definitely going into KidZone. Then the internet exploded. Universal suddenly realized they had a potential Harry Potter II on their hands, which forced them to take deeper looks into their options. The KidZone area was clearly too small to handle the Nintendo land everyone was clamoring for. Maybe they could put Mario Kart into the Toon Lagoon theater area and then retheme the water rides (Donkey Kong is such an obvious fit for the rapids ride!), allowing the land to open much faster! Maybe they could retheme Lost Continent! Maybe it should be saved for the new park! OMG OMG OMG!

Then reality reared its ugly head. USJ was getting their version first and space is limited over there. OF COURSE the US parks would be getting clones. So Universal has decided upon the obvious fix of plopping a Nintendo land into every park, a la Harry Potter. First, they had to go through the planning process and figure out what configuration would fit in all three locations. Orlando still had issues, as the USJ configuration could still fit into the Toon Lagoon theater area, and IOA needs Nintendo far worse than USF does. Toon Lagoon has long been Universal's most problematic area, and Universal finally had a major fix. Or certainly a better fix than the Secret Life of Pets/Illumination retheme that was the most recent rumor.

Then Comcast bought DreamWorks Animation. Suddenly the Toon Lagoon options exploded. DWA is certainly not Nintendo, not Harry Potter, not the Minions. But its characters are definitely closer to those in stature than Dudley Do-Right or Popeye! Furthermore, DWA's Fab Four are still spitting out sequels with a new Shrek and a new How to Train Your Dragon coming soon, a new Puss in Boots and a new Madagascar in development, and a rumored 4th Kung Fu Panda being written (not to mention sequels for second-tier films Trolls, The Croods, and Boss Baby on the way). Those characters will sell way more merch than Beetle Bailey!

So KidZone will get the clone, IOA will probably get Zelda (in Lost Continent) and the new park will probably get Pokemon (if they also got that IP) or all the remaining Nintendo characters. (I've long found it suspicious that USJ's land will be called Super Nintendo World. Super Nintendo brings up images of a long defunct game system. In the world of Nintendo, the word "Super" has long been associated with Mario - Super Mario Bros, Super Mario Land, Super Mario World, Super Mario Galaxy, Super Mario Sunshine. Nintendo's two biggest releases of the last year continue this Super Mario trend: Super Mario Run and Super Mario Odyssey. Considering this land doesn't stray outside the Mario canon, the choice of adding the word "Super" to "Nintendo World" is an odd choice. Yes, Nintendo World is the name of their store, but wouldn't "Nintendo Universe" fit better in a Universal park? Which leads me to believe that USF's version will be Super Nintendo World up until they need that name for a different land, which is when USF's land will become the more appropriate Super Mario World.)

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What’s the anchor for Epcot,AK, and DHS?
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Disney doesn't need anchors. Disney's anchor is the Disney brand. Disney could build half-day parks and people would still show up in droves. Because that's exactly what they did (at least in Orlando).

Universal, on the other hand, DOES need anchors. Just look at UO attendance pre-Potter and post-Potter. IOA was arguably a better park than any WDW park, with anchors - Jurassic Park, Marvel, Dr Seuss - that are way more popular than most of Disney's output. They had world-class coasters, world-class water rides and the world's best dark ride. Yet it took a boy wizard with a history of mediocre books and movies behind him to turn that park into a competitor.

Strangely enough, Disney is now learning that it MAY actually need anchors. Pandora is an outside IP brought in solely to compete with Harry Potter. Epcot is now getting a Marvel infusion to go with its questionable Frozen injection. The Studios is upping its Star Wars and Pixar content. (MK will still rely on the Disney name though.) Each anchorless park - though I would argue that Spaceship Earth has always been a major anchor for Epcot - will become a park anchored by a major IP.
 
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KevyB said:
That said, when Nintendo was first announced, it was definitely going into KidZone. Then the internet exploded. Universal suddenly realized they had a potential Harry Potter II on their hands, which forced them to take deeper looks into their options. The KidZone area was clearly too small to handle the Nintendo land everyone was clamoring for. Maybe they could put Mario Kart into the Toon Lagoon theater area and then retheme the water rides (Donkey Kong is such an obvious fit for the rapids ride!), allowing the land to open much faster! Maybe they could retheme Lost Continent! Maybe it should be saved for the new park! OMG OMG OMG!

Then reality reared its ugly head. USJ was getting their version first and space is limited over there. OF COURSE the US parks would be getting clones. So Universal has decided upon the obvious fix of plopping a Nintendo land into every park, a la Harry Potter. First, they had to go through the planning process and figure out what configuration would fit in all three locations. Orlando still had issues, as the USJ configuration could still fit into the Toon Lagoon theater area, and IOA needs Nintendo far worse than USF does. Toon Lagoon has long been Universal's most problematic area, and Universal finally had a major fix. Or certainly a better fix than the Secret Life of Pets/Illumination retheme that was the most recent rumor.
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No.
 
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Joe said:
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Is he at least right with the placements?
 
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Mike S said:
Is he at least right with the placements?
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I don't know exactly but the idea that UC didn't know how popular Nintendo would be after announcement or after they break ground in USJ is INSANE.
 
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From @chickenlilchip

 
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So what you're saying is... Mario will be in Park 3? ;)
 
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So just out of curiosity, which entrance would they reroute for existing HHN mazes for 2018, since Kidzone would be demolished early of that year?
 
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Paulio said:
So just out of curiosity, which entrance would they reroute for existing HHN mazes for 2018, since Kidzone would be demolished early of that year?
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They re-routed the tent that would've had entry from KZ for 27, as it was next to The Hive's entrance.
 
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Paulio said:
So just out of curiosity, which entrance would they reroute for existing HHN mazes for 2018, since Kidzone would be demolished early of that year?
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They re-routed the tent that would've had entry from KZ for 27, as it was next to The Hive's entrance.
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Yea they already did all the rerouting they needed this year. The parade building (whatever building they end up using after demo) queue will have to be moved more towards Central Park next year. Otherwise everything is the same
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XgHoazRTrE

Hope Universal Studios actually adapt this into a ride lol
 
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Paulio said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XgHoazRTrE

Hope Universal Studios actually adapt this into a ride lol
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seems dangerous
 
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Paulio said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XgHoazRTrE

Hope Universal Studios actually adapt this into a ride lol
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Honestly, I would look more to the 2D DK series as opposed to 64, especially with the Boom Patent being used for the DK attraction.
 
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He also says there is likely to be more within a couple days. Also, why does it say lift station? Am I missing something?
 
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LintemuthStudios said:


He also says there is likely to be more within a couple days. Also, why does it say lift station? Am I missing something?
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My thoughts would be for a excavator lift of some kind, if they dig down to have MK start out in a basement level for the track layout. Perhaps I'm wrong though.
 
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He also says there is likely to be more within a couple days. Also, why does it say lift station? Am I missing something?
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Its for sewage. It means the bathrooms or other drains don't have enough fall from where they are going to be located to where they tie into the main lines. At the most basic level, its a pump that pumps the sewage from a lower tank to a higher tank. Theres other ways to do it besides tanks and pumps, but thats the basic idea.

This was also from about 7 months ago. I'm really curious if this was from a Info request and is just now getting answered or what the scenario is that led to it coming out now.
 
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LintemuthStudios said:


He also says there is likely to be more within a couple days. Also, why does it say lift station? Am I missing something?
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Lift station = turd pump in flat Florida. They are installing a "force main" sewer line due to insufficient elevation change so they have to pump the nasty stuff. Very common here in FL. This is what a good part of the back and forth with the permit was. Had to get approval from Kirby and he was slow on the job.
 
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LintemuthStudios said:
He also says there is likely to be more within a couple days. Also, why does it say lift station? Am I missing something?
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fryoj said:
Its for sewage. It means the bathrooms or other drains don't have enough fall from where they are going to be located to where they tie into the main lines. At the most basic level, its a pump that pumps the sewage from a lower tank to a higher tank. Theres other ways to do it besides tanks and pumps, but thats the basic idea.
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Fryoj hit the nail on the head. It’s a pumping station that pushes the sewage to a central wastewater plant. Keep in mind- this permit is for stormwater and sewage- stormwater is a totally separate entity with its own regulations. Almost never does stormwater (essentially rainfall that goes into a storm drain) use a lift station.

It’s actually interesting that this area needs a new lift station. I would’ve guessed all of USF would only use one. For reference- an entire small/moderate size city might only have 4-20 lift stations; while a large city like Orlando might have 200. It all depends on how far apart the residential areas are as well as how many wastewater plants they have.
 
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I love how, on this theme park forum, we all get excited about poop management...
 
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It’s actually interesting that this area needs a new lift station. I would’ve guessed all of USF would only use one. For reference- an entire small/moderate size city might only have 4-20 lift stations; while a large city like Orlando might have 200. It all depends on how far apart the residential areas are as well as how many wastewater plants they have.
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Which is ironic, because in a some rural areas there is one in just about everyone's backyard. They are commonly used in septic tanks on hilly property.

As for the situation here I can only speculate, but I'm guessing either they are putting bathrooms in a different area than before and need a small one to get things to the main system. Or their main one is somewhere in the area and they are going to update it with a new one here.
 
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Which is ironic, because in a some rural areas there is one in just about everyone's backyard. They are commonly used in septic tanks on hilly property.

As for the situation here I can only speculate, but I'm guessing either they are putting bathrooms in a different area than before and need a small one to get things to the main system. Or their main one is somewhere in the area and they are going to update it with a new one here.
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Clint said the plans include 48 new toilets, so I'm guessing it's needed for them. The existing KidZone bathrooms by SpongeBob probably aren't sufficient
 
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