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CoryLevy91 said:
To me, the characters within the film fall directly into line with how characters stereo-typically act when they find themselves in a slasher story. They are brash, young people who give little thought to the future and are just trying to have a good time. They react, for the most part, stupidly to the threat of Johnny. Thus they become fodder for Johnny and the natural violence found in the world.

The key to the entire movie is what Kris decides to do with Johnny's locket. For the last act the film beings building to the typical slasher climax, a big, bruising battle between the Goliath and the fierce, nothing left to lose Final Girl. However, instead of continuing to thoughtlessly participate in the story that's been told many, many times, Kris does the intelligent thing: she simply lets Johnny have what he wants. She let's nature be. She acts in good faith. And that's enough to satiate Johnny. He does not follow her. He does not continue on his violent impulsive path. His own rightful property is returned and nature becomes quiet once more. The woman in the pickup truck tells the story of her brother that re-enforces the idea of nature having violent tendencies that only let up when we do the smart thing and act against our own human retaliatory programming.

There's also heavy signs of Kris suffering trauma after the incident, being so paranoid Johnny is still after her. Suggesting to me that perhaps Kris/the audience has done so much damage already that the scars will remain even if we start doing the right things and acting in good faith.

That's my interpretation. In a Violent Nature is great because I do think it IS open to lots of interpretations though!
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I honestly love your thoughts on this Cory, and -admittedly- i might need to rewatch this on my own. To be transparent, i was ALONE in this theater with one of my best friends for a late night viewing the weekend it came out (i seriously think it was like Sunday night at 10PM and he was an EMT on call so he had late nights where he was supposed to stay up, so we would purposely see late night movies). We sat in the middle of the theater by ourselves talking out loud through the entire thing and questioning it to one another as it went on and i -callously- think my appreciation for this movie lands more on the Mystery Science Theatre front of 'two a-holes who don't shut up' during the movie. It is clear that you appreciate the writing more than i do and i think it demands a second viewing now so i can try and read it better without any distractions. I remember liking how the locket gets returned, but i conversely felt the truck scene overstayed its welcome and soured my taste on the ending. It's not that i expected the killer to come back but because i expected the truck driver to have ulterior motives based on the story she was telling. I thought it had a point other than allegory. In hindsight, i guess i wanted the ending to be more Strange Darling and i fault myself for having those expectations in the first place. lol

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Stay vigilant everyone - I've now gotten spoiled on 2 deaths for Final Destination: Bloodlines. Scrolling through reddit and BAM.

But if you're curious...
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Don't do this to me, Codeman, I'm seeing it tomorrow! I usually love spoilers but Final Destination is one of those franchises where i'm like... NAH, let's see it happen live. I want the shock and awe, bb.
 
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I've heard every single death is CGI. Adjust your expectations accordingly.
 
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Cwoolboy said:
I've heard every single death is CGI. Adjust your expectations accordingly.
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TheCodeMan95 said:
Stay vigilant everyone - I've now gotten spoiled on 2 deaths for Final Destination: Bloodlines. Scrolling through reddit and BAM.

But if you're curious..

- Erik is torn in half by a wheelchair being sucked in by a malfunctioning MRI machine
- Bobby has a vending machine coil go through his eye (these deaths are basically back to back)
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I saw those spoilers too, looked pretty bad effects wise. And a lot of people were saying that this movie was basically a comedy. Specially the deaths.
A third and 4th spoiler I saw was

Blonde lady being crushed by garbage truck compactor and it looked ridiculous.

4th spoiler was a ridiculous looking train in the middle of a neighborhood coming off the tracks and sending a bunch of wood logs out to crush two people, looked really silly.

 
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Final Destination: Bloodlines does two thing the franchise has never really done before: created a familial relationship between characters as well as injecting the film with some great comedic feeling. The result? Arguably the best installment in the series. Having watched every FD this past week, it's pretty stark taking them in together in such a short time. The point has always remained the same: death as spectacle. Yet just about every entry does absolutely nothing outside of those parameters and that's where Bloodlines really shines. Not only does it have an amazing major set piece to start the film and not only does it have some of the best kills in the franchise, it absolutely knocks it out of the park in the spaces in between those focal points.

I can't overstate enough what making your cast of characters in Death's game not only care for each other but interesting, funny and likeable does for a Final Destination film. Tremendous cast in a well written death-a-thon!

Of course Bloodlines' other major selling point will be the final appearance for the legendary Tony Todd. What a career, what a person, what a voice and what a tremendous final outing. It's a goodbye worthy of his greatness and it's a goodbye most legends rarely get. I'm not being facetious when I say the ticket price is worth it for Tony alone.

After first viewing it's honestly neck and neck with the original for me and without thinking too much, I'd probably honestly would rather re-watch Bloodlines because of how funny and well executed it is, even if the original is such a great, creative, more thoughtful-than-you-think film. The entire week during my re-watch I had an ever growing sentiment of 'this franchise is really kind of mid, if I'm being honest'. Bloodlines shows that with a little care and some clever people at the helm, the series can be even greater and deadlier than ever.
 
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CoryLevy91 said:
Final Destination: Bloodlines does two thing the franchise has never really done before: created a familial relationship between characters as well as injecting the film with some great comedic feeling. The result? Arguably the best installment in the series. Having watched every FD this past week, it's pretty stark taking them in together in such a short time. The point has always remained the same: death as spectacle. Yet just about every entry does absolutely nothing outside of those parameters and that's where Bloodlines really shines. Not only does it have an amazing major set piece to start the film and not only does it have some of the best kills in the franchise, it absolutely knocks it out of the park in the spaces in between those focal points.

I can't overstate enough what making your cast of characters in Death's game not only care for each other but interesting, funny and likeable does for a Final Destination film. Tremendous cast in a well written death-a-thon!

Of course Bloodlines' other major selling point will be the final appearance for the legendary Tony Todd. What a career, what a person, what a voice and what a tremendous final outing. It's a goodbye worthy of his greatness and it's a goodbye most legends rarely get. I'm not being facetious when I say the ticket price is worth it for Tony alone.

After first viewing it's honestly neck and neck with the original for me and without thinking too much, I'd probably honestly would rather re-watch Bloodlines because of how funny and well executed it is, even if the original is such a great, creative, more thoughtful-than-you-think film. The entire week during my re-watch I had an ever growing sentiment of 'this franchise is really kind of mid, if I'm being honest'. Bloodlines shows that with a little care and some clever people at the helm, the series can be even greater and deadlier than ever.
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Too bad it took so long. The other sequels are terrible. Specially the last 2
 
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Too bad it took so long. The other sequels are terrible. Specially the last 2
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The original is interesting because of how good it shows a young cast dealing with death and grief while showing off some impressive, inventive, cruel deaths.

2 has one of the most infamous set pieces in horror history but takes itself too seriously with bland characters.

3 is fun with a good enough cast but doesn't really do anything great.

THE FINAL DESTINATION is an atrocity that feels like I'm watching a fake film that exists solely within an actual movie. So bizarre it feels like a fake film.

5 is a decent enough rebound but has some egregiously unlikable characters. Incredible ending twist that raises it an entire star.

Bloodlines is funny, has a great cast and delivers in both the big set piece and the individual deaths while also at least trying something new with the formula.

Bloodlines > 1 > 3 > 5 > 2 > A Country Mile > 4 would be my ranking.
 
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I still think 3 is the best and that's me being a biased theme park nerd at the same level as i am a horror nerd. The two things define me as a person and i don't think i can let any of the other movies slide past for that reason.
My internal ranking is 3-1-2-6-5-4
3 because it feels like it was made for me (and i will disagree with Cory and say that 2 of the 3 main characters in the third film are sisters and while it's not directly about their parents or family - the bickering between them and them feeling like siblings is absolutely felt, so bloodlines didn't feel as 'wholly new and original' to me).
1 because it has the benefit of being the first and laying the groundwork, best acting imo (Sawa carries).
2 because of the practical effects and gnarly unpredictability as well as introducing something genuinely new without strictly rehashing.
and then i'd say bloodlines, because i genuinely thought the 50s backdrop was amazing and lifted the entire premise up - it made me wonder why we haven't gone the 'vhs' route and had a 60s-70s-80-90s final destination movie before! WHY NOT! let's period piece this franchise going forward. It has the room/depth to do so with the perfect amount of creativity. Unfortunately, i did not see the love for the family the same way once it cut to present-day. Main actress was genuinely bad. Most of the family is unlikeable barring Charlie and Bobby(the former is great in the Chucky TV show and the latter was just sweet and innocent and actually felt likeable). And MAN did i have problems with some of the decisions these characters made. Grandma knows leaving the house will get her killed and start the dominoes falling on her family - leaves the house anyway. Mom knows that if she holes up somewhere and refuses to go out, she can save her family - goes to the place HER Mom was just murdered. Eric is warned about interfering - interferes - dies. I don't know man. It's those things that REALLY stand out to me as UN-WISE character choices that drag this series down when it's supposed to be known for characters looking for flaws in their logic. These ones flat out ignored them. Did not mind the CGI tho. Was actually pleasantly surprised in most regards to how effects blended.
5 is only good for the twist ending with flight 180 and i stand by that. the acting is bad. the CGI is bad. it's mostly a bad movie.
the less said about 4, the better.
 
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After watching them all the week leading up to Bloodlines' premiere I just really think the entire franchise is seriously meh outside of the death set pieces. The original film really excels because of how real it feels and how genuine the characters are. They feel like fleshed out people, which really drives home how brutal and sadistic death as a haunting, super natural slasher antagonist works. Immediately after that first film the entire franchise just pitches downward into a ditch in terms of storytelling and characters outside of the death scenes for me. To the point where there really isn't a plot in them outside of repeating the survive a catastrophe, find clues about death's design, run around while everyone dies.

Bloodlines feels like there is reason for the plot to be moving, like there's actual thought into how to move characters around the world instead of 'I guess they just hang out while they start dying'. I loved almost all of the family, myself. Even the characters that are emotionally distanced from their family (Stefani, Darlene) have reasons for doing so and redeem themselves throughout the film. It's funny bringing up the sisters in FD3 because I just outwardly forgot about that plot because it's executed so much worse than it is in Bloodlines. Stefani and Darlene and Charlie feel like an actual family whereas Wendy and her sister feel like last moment script additions for an added twist and layering there. Nothing in FD3 would be changed if Wendy's sister a niece, or the student she tutored or even really just a random younger girl she decides to care about. Whereas Stefani and Charlie actually have a plot arc here. Stefani grows as a person.

And honestly Bloodlines just feels like a better executed movie in between set pieces. The characters are funny and likeable, there's actual things happening, the plot is actually moving places. It feels like a better thought out film than the other sequels that really feel like quickly churned out slogs just to get to the set pieces. I think that is probably my biggest disconnect to the franchise. It's about the deaths. As horror fans we see death in almost every movie we watch so to me the spectacle of them isn't grand enough for me to vastly overshadow the scenes and spaces in between. So when Bloodlines shows up and does all that stuff so much better, I perk up.

It is super fascinating just seeing all the reactions the past week because it truly is such a mixed love for the franchise. Some people think Bloodlines is the best. Some people think 3 is the best. Some people think 1 and 2 are the best. And I think a lot of that is some people love the big premonition scenes. Some people have their most memorable death. Some people have their favorite characters or cast of characters. It's just a great little microcosm of the genre and fandom!
 
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It's funny bringing up the sisters in FD3 because I just outwardly forgot about that plot because it's executed so much worse than it is in Bloodlines. Stefani and Darlene and Charlie feel like an actual family whereas Wendy and her sister feel like last moment script additions for an added twist and layering there. Nothing in FD3 would be changed if Wendy's sister a niece, or the student she tutored or even really just a random younger girl she decides to care about. Whereas Stefani and Charlie actually have a plot arc here. Stefani grows as a person.
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I will rebut this for a moment because it's actually a TWIST that the sister was on the rollercoaster, hence the under-delivery of the screentime the sister even has. They purposefully don't want you to see too much of her or be thinking about her to maintain the twist in the third act. That's just good structure to me, not something to detract from; It's like "oh, her relationship with her sister was never really that great to start, so it makes sense that they wouldn't necessarily BOND over this trauma together." It is VERY carefully constructed to be that OH SH!T moment where they were never even accounting for her the entire time and to find out she's next is a big point for MEW to step in and save her. Say what you will about plot contrivances, but it had the same energy as Bloodlines to me with less work and better acting. *shrug* Still didn't like almost anyone in 6 nor agree with almost any decision they made. lol

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It is super fascinating just seeing all the reactions the past week because it truly is such a mixed love for the franchise. Some people think Bloodlines is the best. Some people think 3 is the best. Some people think 1 and 2 are the best. And I think a lot of that is some people love the big premonition scenes. Some people have their most memorable death. Some people have their favorite characters or cast of characters. It's just a great little microcosm of the genre and fandom!
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This is why i love talking about this franchise because i think we all look at something different when we analyze these movies and i love to hear people like yours' take on the series on a whole. I try to look at special effects, pacing, editing, acting, directing, etc. but some people don't analyze half of that - like you said, they're just in it for the spectacle and the thrills n chills. i think the directing of 3 had that ominous DARK tone similar to 1 that 2 was severely missing and hasn't been in the franchise since; And i do mean that. 6 did not have the same style, tone, or aesthetic that 1 or 3 had and that's why those rank higher for me, personally. Where 3 wins our is biased favoritism and nostalgia lol

i honestly had this talk with my girlfriend on the ride home after 6. Truthfully, i said, "I think 3 stands out the most to me because i don't get on a rollercoaster without thinking about it. I can't. It's impossible for me to not think about getting bisected by a low bar during Space Mountain or thinking the restraints will unlatch on The Hulk and i'll fall out. But when it comes to the other movies, none of the premonitions hit home as much. Like, I don't think about the first movie whenever i'm on a plane. I just don't. That's not where my mind is when i'm traveling." and she agreed that the premonitions have to hit that fear where you live in order to make an impression. i think that's why 2 hits harder for me than even 6 - i will NEVER drive behind a logging truck. That's the imprint that movie has left on me and so many other people - so much so that it was a MARKETING GIMMICK for 6! You know what i'm never gonna do? Go to a nascar race. Or worry about crossing a bridge. Or go to a restaurant on top of a space needle. I think these are just SOME of the things where i'm like, "6 was good, but it wasn't THAT good," BECAUSE it doesn't hit me at home and stay with me after i've driven home after the movie and 3 will continue to haunt me whenever i'm in an amusement park. lol
 
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