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Most common reason for a bench to go out of commission was vomit, followed by loss of audio, and once in a blue moon one would fault somewhere - there are some that don't play well with the track switches so never get sent to secondary to load.

Much of the capacity is a) not stopping, and b) filling the seats.

Otherwise the vehicles don't make much of a difference. There's 42 and even on bad days there's usually like 38 in operation.
 
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And to address several topics at once I've seen in the thread here, USF and IoA was not designed as an alternative to the "family" rides of WDW, they were designed to one up Disney in all departments (famously they wanted their hot dogs larger, their restrooms with more stalls, and the paths bigger) with the Jay-bang flair. IoA was a direct response to complaints and issues with USF; people wanted outdoor attractions, coasters, flat rides, and water rides. IoA was in a spot where all but TWO attractions would close in the rain, now that count is up to four.

Dueling Dragons is an ok B&M inverted coaster, it's not the best nor the worst. Dueling shouldn't have been removed as that added a lot of the thrills. Universal neutered the coaster and B&M was not happy about that and rumored to look into legal action. B&Ms rumored threats, maintenance issues (UOR's fault for sure), low guest counts (UOR's fault for a poor new entrance), WB's disappoint in using metal detectors, and the desire to round out the park with an indoor attraction puts DD on the chopping block.

Universal picked its language very carefully for their blog post, it made sure to highlight that this will be a coaster, that this will be heavily themed, and that it will be family friendly. Universal's definition of family is very different than Disney's and I don't think we're going to be working with a Gringotts or SDMT style coaster here. Each of the points Universal highlights also covers the issues with a DD replacement: this will be a coaster, it will not be over retention ponds and grass, and it won't scare the pants off of Michael Gambon.

Last point with UOR is there are consistent and predictable arguments against their attractions whether they are deserved or not. In the early 1990s the attractions didn't work as reliably as Disney's, in the late 1990s and early 2000s it was Universal "just built unthemed steel coasters" (remember THOSE complaints?), Universal didn't built new attractions and just did overlays, and now Universal just does screens. I get those who will miss DD and want a more intense experience, but please remember there are many who view this attraction as a DETRACTION to the park.

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This can open new avenues for Sea World and I hope they take advantage of it. As Universal tries to become more Disney, Sea World can try to target those 13yo+ families and adults. They already built the best record braking coaster in all CFL and looks like the new raft attraction for next year will be another record breaking. So I am ok with the whole thing, just surprised with the shuffle of direction for all parks here. Besides after watching Universal's summer commercials again and again with the slogan "Mom, Dad, I'm not a kid anymore, I'm ready for more (Universal)"... well guess what kids!? LMAO and I am just joking here btw.
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You are taking one data point and extrapolating a trend for both UOR and SeaWorld. I get you are disappointed about this change but nothing about the UOR or SeaWorld parks is fundamentally changing. SeaWorld opened Antartica and is still going to add Sesame Street and a river raft ride. Universal rebuilt the Hulk and is still going to be adding new coasters (two of their next four park projects are coasters). The new attraction will not be a B&M Invert but it doesn't automatically mean it won't be a physically intense coaster. I have seen many posters already jump to major conclusions on this attraction and UOR's plans; just chill out. I get that we don't have all the answers or information right now but we should not spiral into doom and gloom or uncheck euphoria.
 
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Well, Jaguar at Knott's has a '48 height requirement and that's considered a family coaster. RnR and Screamin' (Pretty sure) have the same height requirement so…..
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Well of course Jaguar, a 35 mph coaster would be considered a family coaster. Those are pretty mild coasters compared to a 52-54 inch coaster like Dragons (and the aforementioned Maverick). The point I am making is when Universal states the replacement will be fun for the entire family, I don't foresee them talking about something of equal thrills of Dragons or hulk . . . or anything with a height requirement of more than 44 inches, in my opinion.
 
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Do we think that they'll duel the coasters for the day on September 4th?

Or even once at the end of the day with no riders seated?
 
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Do we think that they'll duel the coasters for the day on September 4th?
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No.
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Or even once at the end of the day with no riders seated?
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Aww, that would be sweet.

No.
 
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I get those who will miss DD and want a more intense experience, but please remember there are many who view this attraction as a DETRACTION to the park.
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The issue was that DD lived and died on the dueling aspect...Also the way it worked with the old Lost Continent strengthened the experience in a weird way...Seeing the iconic dragon statue, walking through the scary queue, hearing the trains depart at the same time, catching up to the other car just in time for them to click off the chain...It was all well choreographed

Then came Potter (which I love)...Queue neutered, Statues gone, references taken out, and worst of all, Dueling turned off (Not a part of Potter, rather a safety issue)....The ride has been "removed" for years in my eyes..

It would be as if they turned everything off in the Kong queue and just played the score during the ride with no sound effects or speaking
 
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No.

Aww, that would be sweet.

No.
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Thought as much. I will go in the morning as opposed to the evening then! :tongue:
 
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Thought as much. I will go in the morning as opposed to the evening then! :tongue:
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I dont think they would want to draw attention to the fact that it even can duel to keep an uproar from happening.
 
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And to address several topics at once I've seen in the thread here, USF and IoA was not designed as an alternative to the "family" rides of WDW, they were designed to one up Disney in all departments (famously they wanted their hot dogs larger, their restrooms with more stalls, and the paths bigger) with the Jay-bang flair. IoA was a direct response to complaints and issues with USF; people wanted outdoor attractions, coasters, flat rides, and water rides. IoA was in a spot where all but TWO attractions would close in the rain, now that count is up to four.

Dueling Dragons is an ok B&M inverted coaster, it's not the best nor the worst. Dueling shouldn't have been removed as that added a lot of the thrills. Universal neutered the coaster and B&M was not happy about that and rumored to look into legal action. B&Ms rumored threats, maintenance issues (UOR's fault for sure), low guest counts (UOR's fault for a poor new entrance), WB's disappoint in using metal detectors, and the desire to round out the park with an indoor attraction puts BB on the chopping block.

Universal picked its language very carefully for their blog post, it made sure to highlight that this will be a coaster, that this will be heavily themed, and that it will be family friendly. Universal's definition of family is very different than Disney's and I don't think we're going to be working with a Gringotts or SDMT style coaster here. Each of the points Universal highlights also covers the issues with a DD replacement: this will be a coaster, it will not be over retention ponds and grass, and it won't scare the pants off of Michael Gambon.

Last point with UOR is there are consistent and predictable arguments against their attractions whether they are deserved or not. In the early 1990s the attractions didn't work as reliably as Disney's, in the late 1990s and early 2000s it was Universal "just built unthemed steel coasters" (remember THOSE complaints?), Universal didn't built new attractions and just did overlays, and now Universal just does screens. I get those who will miss DD and want a more intense experience, but please remember there are many who view this attraction as a DETRACTION to the park.



You are taking one data point and extrapolating a trend for both UOR and SeaWorld. I get you are disappointed about this change but nothing about the UOR or SeaWorld parks is fundamentally changing. SeaWorld opened Antartica and is still going to add Sesame Street and a river raft ride. Universal rebuilt the Hulk and is still going to be adding new coasters (two of their next four park projects are coasters). The new attraction will not be a B&M Invert but it doesn't automatically mean it won't be a physically intense coaster. I have seen many posters already jump to major conclusions on this attraction and UOR's plans; just chill out. I get that we don't have all the answers or information right now but we should not spiral into doom and gloom or uncheck euphoria.
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Well said. You summed up what happened (Jay Stein would be proud of you) & what's happening now, pretty well. :thumbsup:
 
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See, this is exactly my issue with this decision. UOR and IOA was the opposite of Disney when it opened. Mostly thrill rides, and fewer family rides.

I know they want to do more to "compete" with Disney, but I actually think being different is what worked in their favor.

I know this comment won't go over well on "these" boards, but UOR will NEVER beat Disney at it's own game. You may enjoy the park more, but it's never going to be "THE" park in Orlando. The best they can do is try and sway guests.
Considering Disney seems to be building some new rides that are tailored for Teens (SWL, GOTG, TRON), it may not be the best time to start building "family" rides and tearing down the thrilling rides that made the park popular in the first place. Plus Nintendoland is already on the way...

I realize this opinion may upset a few of you...
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I think you may be confusing Disney with Magic Kingdom. Magic Kingdom will never be topped in attendance. The others are fair game....
 
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I think we're in for more than just an attraction, as I think there's enough space freed by Dragons for a true expansion of Hogsmeade. Hopefully more area for nighttime show viewing, more interactive wand experiences, some new shopping and dining options.. They improved so much on the Wizarding World concept with Diagon Alley. Hopefully this helps level things a bit.
 
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So what characters are expecting? Hagrid for sure, Lupin probably, Sirius?, Dobby? Ron? Fang?
 
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I think we're in for more than just an attraction, as I think there's enough space freed by Dragons for a true expansion of Hogsmeade. Hopefully more area for nighttime show viewing, more interactive wand experiences, some new shopping and dining options.. They improved so much on the Wizarding World concept with Diagon Alley. Hopefully this helps level things a bit.
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No doubt.:thumbsup:
 
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I think you may be confusing Disney with Magic Kingdom. Magic Kingdom will never be topped in attendance. The others are fair game....
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*whispers* Epcot has more people visit on certain days... but no one is supposed to know that.
 
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As a sign that this decision has evoked a lot of interest...Generally when Theme Park Insider, whose reader corps is predominantly Disney oriented, posts a news article on Universal attractions or events, they get a pretty cold response, just a small handful of reader comments, if any. The DC story though, at last count had 70 some responses, which is even more than they receive for major Disney attraction news....This redo will reverberate through the theme park community, and build to a crescendo until it opens. Good choice Universal. :thumbsup: Keeping the theme parks rivalry heated makes it great for all of us Universal & Disney fans. More new attractions and all that goes with it. Orlando parks will not be stale for at least the next 7 years with all that's coming down....What a dilemma for us fans. So many choices, so little time. :):lol:
 
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I was at work when this announcement dropped... and it crushed me. I'm not a fan of Potter... it made me like Potter even less when that stupid overrated wizard took over The Jaws Ride (Diagon Alley/Gringotts will never be as good or better than The Jaws Ride... sorry, not sorry). Its bad enough Potter nuetered the amazing detail found within Dragon's queue, now to lose the coaster(s) completely is just depressing.

For anyone that seriously thinks that Dragons was an eyesore for the "oh-so-amazing" WWOHP... well, the same could be said about Hogwarts being an eyesore in regards to other vantage points, especially when it comes to Jurassic Park. At least Dragons fit into the stupid land thematically... Potter has dragons, the land had a coaster THEMED to dragons. It was perfect. Having to see Hogwarts when looking across the lagoon towering over the Discovery Center is terrible, even worse is seeing it while on JPRA (hey orlando, invest in a canopy like Hollywood... only better).

Universal needed another Potter anything in the park like they need another screen-based/3D simulator. I'm sure the new ride will be "fun", but eh. Obviously they want to keep it underwraps for the time being, probably waiting for Disney to drop more details before they do. Although I'm sure Disney is thinking "Oh more Potter? Thats cute. We're adding OTHER IPs instead of more of the same".

Dueling Dragons was such a unique coaster too... while it had its issues, Singapore at least still has its uinique dueling coaster that was clearly their answer to Dragons. I'll miss those multiple rides on each dragon. I still remember the few times we waited for roughly 1-2 hours in that damn heavily themed queue. I hated it then, but will cherish that time spent within that castle. Long live that re-ride door!
 
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I was at work when this announcement dropped... and it crushed me. I'm not a fan of Potter... it made me like Potter even less when that stupid overrated wizard took over The Jaws Ride (Diagon Alley/Gringotts will never be as good or better than The Jaws Ride... sorry, not sorry). Its bad enough Potter nuetered the amazing detail found within Dragon's queue, now to lose the coaster(s) completely is just depressing.

For anyone that seriously thinks that Dragons was an eyesore for the "oh-so-amazing" WWOHP... well, the same could be said about Hogwarts being an eyesore in regards to other vantage points, especially when it comes to Jurassic Park. At least Dragons fit into the stupid land thematically... Potter has dragons, the land had a coaster THEMED to dragons. It was perfect. Having to see Hogwarts when looking across the lagoon towering over the Discovery Center is terrible, even worse is seeing it while on JPRA (hey orlando, invest in a canopy like Hollywood... only better).

Universal needed another Potter anything in the park like they need another screen-based/3D simulator. I'm sure the new ride will be "fun", but eh. Obviously they want to keep it underwraps for the time being, probably waiting for Disney to drop more details before they do. Although I'm sure Disney is thinking "Oh more Potter? Thats cute. We're adding OTHER IPs instead of more of the same".

Dueling Dragons was such a unique coaster too... while it had its issues, Singapore at least still has its uinique dueling coaster that was clearly their answer to Dragons. I'll miss those multiple rides on each dragon. I still remember the few times we waited for roughly 1-2 hours in that damn heavily themed queue. I hated it then, but will cherish that time spent within that castle. Long live that re-ride door!
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I was at work when this announcement dropped... and it crushed me. I'm not a fan of Potter... it made me like Potter even less when that stupid overrated wizard took over The Jaws Ride (Diagon Alley/Gringotts will never be as good or better than The Jaws Ride... sorry, not sorry). Its bad enough Potter nuetered the amazing detail found within Dragon's queue, now to lose the coaster(s) completely is just depressing.

For anyone that seriously thinks that Dragons was an eyesore for the "oh-so-amazing" WWOHP... well, the same could be said about Hogwarts being an eyesore in regards to other vantage points, especially when it comes to Jurassic Park. At least Dragons fit into the stupid land thematically... Potter has dragons, the land had a coaster THEMED to dragons. It was perfect. Having to see Hogwarts when looking across the lagoon towering over the Discovery Center is terrible, even worse is seeing it while on JPRA (hey orlando, invest in a canopy like Hollywood... only better).

Universal needed another Potter anything in the park like they need another screen-based/3D simulator. I'm sure the new ride will be "fun", but eh. Obviously they want to keep it underwraps for the time being, probably waiting for Disney to drop more details before they do. Although I'm sure Disney is thinking "Oh more Potter? Thats cute. We're adding OTHER IPs instead of more of the same".

Dueling Dragons was such a unique coaster too... while it had its issues, Singapore at least still has its uinique dueling coaster that was clearly their answer to Dragons. I'll miss those multiple rides on each dragon. I still remember the few times we waited for roughly 1-2 hours in that damn heavily themed queue. I hated it then, but will cherish that time spent within that castle. Long live that re-ride door!
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Dueling Dragons was fun (I refuse to refer to it as Dragon Challenge. It will ALWAYS be called Dueling Dragons in my eyes). I just didn't think it was an amazing B&M invert. It's on par with Silver Bullet at Knott's, but not as good as Montu at BGT or Batman at SFMM.
 
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I was at work when this announcement dropped... and it crushed me. I'm not a fan of Potter... it made me like Potter even less when that stupid overrated wizard took over The Jaws Ride (Diagon Alley/Gringotts will never be as good or better than The Jaws Ride... sorry, not sorry). Its bad enough Potter nuetered the amazing detail found within Dragon's queue, now to lose the coaster(s) completely is just depressing.
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The reason why Universal Orlando destroyed Jaws to make room for Diagon Alley because it was ridiculously expensive as hell to operate the ride due to the pyrotechnics and the fact whatever time there needed to be a maintenance, workers had to drain the water and pulled out the mechanic sharks and boats for repairs each and everytime. So you could easily say it was a pain in the ass maintenance that drains Universal out of its money for more than two decades. Not to mention by 2012, Jaws lost its popular appeal as it used to and many those who went on the ride never ever watched a movie nor have any interest, even though it's the most famous movie out there in the industry. So impressed by Harry Potter's success at IOA and to save cost, Universal had to remove the Jaws ride to make room for the Diagon Alley which has gotten guests going back from time to time. Don't get me wrong. I was crushed when I heard Jaws was being removed for more Harry Potter stuff, but the more I read it, the more I could understand why they removed it. I'm sure it's the same for the fans of Kongfrontation due to the same reason as the Jaws ride when Universal closed it to make room for the Mummy attraction, which is not just cheaper, but balancing out between a thrill and a family attraction.

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For anyone that seriously thinks that Dragons was an eyesore for the "oh-so-amazing" WWOHP... well, the same could be said about Hogwarts being an eyesore in regards to other vantage points, especially when it comes to Jurassic Park. At least Dragons fit into the stupid land thematically... Potter has dragons, the land had a coaster THEMED to dragons. It was perfect. Having to see Hogwarts when looking across the lagoon towering over the Discovery Center is terrible, even worse is seeing it while on JPRA (hey orlando, invest in a canopy like Hollywood... only better).

Universal needed another Potter anything in the park like they need another screen-based/3D simulator. I'm sure the new ride will be "fun", but eh. Obviously they want to keep it underwraps for the time being, probably waiting for Disney to drop more details before they do. Although I'm sure Disney is thinking "Oh more Potter? Thats cute. We're adding OTHER IPs instead of more of the same".

Dueling Dragons was such a unique coaster too... while it had its issues, Singapore at least still has its uinique dueling coaster that was clearly their answer to Dragons. I'll miss those multiple rides on each dragon. I still remember the few times we waited for roughly 1-2 hours in that damn heavily themed queue. I hated it then, but will cherish that time spent within that castle. Long live that re-ride door!
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The new Harry Potter Forbidden Forest ride would not involve screens and would use a new set of technology that is likely to rely on practical sets with some screens being thrown to tell the story. To be honest, the Dragon Challenge lost its dueling impact a long time ago so you could easily say it's a shallow of its former self, thanks to the idiots throwing stuff on both sides during the dueling aspect that made it possible to happen. It's just awkward to see the title only to found out the complete opposite when you ride it. It's true it has less wait-times, but to me, I only rode it once, because it's no different than the Flight Deck roller coaster I rode at California's Great America. For the sake of time being, I'm not really sad to see it go to make way for an actual themed Harry Potter Forest attraction which still keeps the thrilling impact while providing fun for the whole families.
 
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Alright guys, let's lay off a bit.
 
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