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Epic Universe - What's Not Working, How Do We Feel, & What Are Potential Solutions?

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  • Yesterday at 2:50 PM
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SeventyOne said:
But come on, this is goalpost moving in a thread titled "What's not working?" Attendance is abysmal. That's what's not working.
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No. This is completely missing cause and effect to the point I'm wondering if you're just a troll here. This feels like coming off of UOAP sour grapes.
 
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Yep. A motion platform dark ride (like the dynamic attractions model / Intamin’s new one for Dance Macabre at Efteling) themed like Space Fantasy and dropped into Celestial Park would have done wonders. A dark ride on the scale of Cat in the Hat in Berk likewise.

I think the park is boxed in by the IPs to be honest. You can’t build a mid-sized attraction for Nintendo or for Potter. Berk seems pretty flexible in terms of attraction types it could accommodate but it’s already very built out. Dark Universe pretty much only has one spot left, so they won’t want to waste it on something middling, I guess.

The CC queue thing is funny. I hadn’t noticed that, but you’re right.
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There's an endless supply of mid-sized attractions for Nintendo. There might not be enough room now (something that could have been planned for), but I could easily see Luigi's Mansion, Space Fantasy themed to Super Mario Galaxy, Wario D-ticket, DK flats, etc. I get what they were going for with Yoshi, but they should've built something closer to SLoP.

Agreed with Potter though. I still think it should've taken over FFL and another IP should have gone where the Ministry is.
 
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  • Yesterday at 4:56 PM
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People keep referencing SLoP…

Legitimate question - how is its ridership?
 
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  • Yesterday at 5:05 PM
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I'm confused about why we're saying Nintendo isn't a draw/success. It absolutely is; they sell boatloads of merchandise and are probably close to breaking even on their Nintendo investments through those sales alone, if the figures I've heard thrown around are even close to accurate.

As @Mad Dog suggested, I could see that the word of mouth is perhaps suppressing enthusiasm/repeat visits, however. Reactions to Mario Kart are decidedly mixed, Yoshi doesn't quite satisfy, and Donkey Kong is burdened with punishing waits and downtime for a relatively brief (if novel) coaster. The games are fun, but the crowds are not. The visuals are gorgeous, if the animation works, but the land is still kind of a pain to navigate.
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Well we knew the consumerism aspect of the land would of course be a smash hit. It’s a capitalist dream. Nintendo merch flies with our without a theme park land.

I don’t know if that really indicates the land itself has been successfully executed as a theme park experience.

But it’s performing well on the mall metrics…
 
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  • Yesterday at 5:08 PM
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People keep referencing SLoP…

Legitimate question - how is its ridership?
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Consistently outstrips its (low) capacity with 40 minute waits, even on slow days. My understanding is its GSATs are very solid, but there is some frustration with the wait times.
 
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I like all the Nintendo rides, but I get people's critiques. I think Mario Kart is the most fun game on any interactive ride I've ever experienced, but I won't argue with people who wish it just went fast.

I do think it's funny, though, that two other major parks have built or are building what could be classified as Mario Kart rip-offs: Europa Park with Grand Prix EDVenture, and Tokyo Disneyland with Sugar Rush... and both of those are slow moving shooters.
 
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Wasn’t the much-lambasted Harry Potter Land pitch from Disney anchored by a Toy Story Mania wand ride?

Yeah…that’s what Mario Kart is to Nintendo. It’s not the worst ride in the world in a vacuum but a near 1:1 comparison is one of the most derided ideas in theme park fandom.
 
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Wasn’t the much-lambasted Harry Potter Land pitch from Disney anchored by a Toy Story Mania wand ride?

Yeah…that’s what Mario Kart is to Nintendo. It’s not the worst ride in the world in a vacuum but a near 1:1 comparison is one of the most derided ideas in theme park fandom.
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Tbf, there are some key differences.

The HP pitch was hated by the creator of the IP. MK is a direct collaboration with the creators of the IP. Fans hate the HP pitch because a shooting gallery ride makes little sense for all of the things you can do with the IP and because Disney didn't want to build anything other than that and a petting zoo. For Mario Kart, it's using a video game model for a video game IP with the addition of an entire land for the property. It's also a dark ride with a shooter, not just aim at screen & shoot.

Whether the ride is good or not is a different discussion.
 
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  • Yesterday at 7:58 PM
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Tbad556 said:
Tbf, there are some key differences.

The HP pitch was hated by the creator of the IP. MK is a direct collaboration with the creators of the IP. Fans hate the HP pitch because a shooting gallery ride makes little sense for all of the things you can do with the IP and because Disney didn't want to build anything other than that and a petting zoo. For Mario Kart, it's using a video game model for a video game IP with the addition of an entire land for the property. It's also a dark ride with a shooter, not just aim at screen & shoot.

Whether the ride is good or not is a different discussion.
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Sure, but it does tie into the overarching discussion RE the disconnect between Nintendo as an IP and the attendance issues at Epic. Regardless of creator preference (neither work in the very specific medium of theme park design), we all collectively agreed an interactive shooter as the anchor of a totemic IP was a bad idea before. And yet here we are with Mario Kart, anchoring a land that’s anchoring a park that’s not living up to guest expectations so far.
 
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Sure, but it does tie into the overarching discussion RE the disconnect between Nintendo as an IP and the attendance issues at Epic. Regardless of creator preference (neither work in the very specific medium of theme park design), we all collectively agreed an interactive shooter as the anchor of a totemic IP was a bad idea before. And yet here we are with Mario Kart, anchoring a land that’s anchoring a park that’s not living up to guest expectations so far.
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Here's my issue/hot take: I'm not convinced there's a better ride than what we got for the Mario IP. This isn't F&F. The game portion is a key component of the IP and you would have several other issues if speed was the highlight instead.

I also just don't think the HP comparison works. It was a bad idea because it doesn't fit the IP and it was all the IP got. That's not the case here.

I also don't think that's one of the big issues with the park attendance personally. But I also think concerns of this park’s attendance are a bit premature and dramatic (respectfully).
 
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  • Yesterday at 8:19 PM
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Tbad556 said:
Here's my issue/hot take: I'm not convinced there's a better ride than what we got for the Mario IP. This isn't F&F. The game portion is a key component of the IP and you would have several other issues if speed was the highlight instead.

I also just don't think the HP comparison works. It was a bad idea because it doesn't fit the IP and it was all the IP got. That's not the case here.

I also don't think that's one of the big issues with the park attendance personally. But I also think concerns of this park’s attendance are a bit premature and dramatic (respectfully).
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I don’t actually think you’re wrong…just an interesting parallel I thought I stumbled upon reading the last couple pages.
 
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I don’t actually think you’re wrong…just an interesting parallel I thought I stumbled upon reading the last couple pages.
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I get and respect that!
 
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