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Epic Universe Expansion Speculation

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Potter areas are nearly always the most crowded areas of the Universal parks they're in, unless there's a special event that siphons people to another area of the park. That's the GP speaking with their wallets. Until that changes, there'll always be more Potter.
 
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I can appreciate people not wanting to see so much space in their favorite theme parks being dedicated to Potter. I’m with everyone who wants to see Dark Universe get another ride somehow.

However, there will be at least one more Potter ride. And it will be at Epic Universe.

I know we all thought we were off the hook because the Broomstick ride idea got abandoned, but that was just one of many ideas for a new Potter ride.

I still have hope that they will invest in their other IPs at Epic in the near future. I’ll be putting on a brave face for all my fellow monster fans.
 
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Alicia said:
It’s a Potter expansion plot. I don’t see it being used for anything but Potter.


Like, seriously. I’m with you.
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Exactly, also my point was it's designed for potter to be accessed through the land so you would be eating into perfectly good 21 acres (that is big enough for two separate lands already) creating access and moving a fire road.

No one is talking about the 1.25acre expansion slot in dragons or the 3 acre spot in Monsters being for a different IP yet that's just what's being suggested by this for some reason
 
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Perhaps before Universal opens up whole new worlds, they may first expand each existing world. Here are the arguments for each world and why they could be *first* to expand, as well as ideas for what attractions could come.


Wizarding World - Paris

We know Paris was supposed to get a second ride, but the idea got scrapped. I find it likely that Warner Bros will want to see a fast-tracked replacement to an attraction they were essentially promised. It's also very likely that Universal / Warner Bros may have an outline of an attraction (eg general concept, story, etc) that they could retool into something that works.

I think there are two major themes missing from The Wizarding World. First theme: flying broomsticks. This was the original rumored VR based attraction which got scrapped. I'm betting the fact that it was broomsticks had little to do with its cancellation. Could a ride use broomsticks but without VR? A ride system like Avatar Flight of Passage, Tron Lightcycle Run, or perhaps another unique ride system could work here.

The next missing theme from the Wizarding World is Dumbledore, who only appears briefly in Forbidden Journey. He's an integral character, and could be used to tie the two movie series (Potter and Fantastic Beasts) together. An attraction where Dumbledore teaches a sort of history class, taking students through critical moments in the Wizarding World timeline (as observers) could work very well. We could relive some favorite movements in a sort of 'best of' experience, without worrying about messing up Potter canon.


Dark Universe

The argument for expanding Dark Universe is simple: it's the smallest land. I think it's likely that this is the land Universal wasn't sure how guests would react. The reviews so far are overwhelmingly positive, with the major criticism being that the land is just too small.

Because Dark Universe is first party, this could give them a bit more freedom to fast-track an attraction, as opposed to potential red tape which may be involved working with WB and Nintendo.

The Creature from the Black Lagoon water ride ideas floating around (pun intended) sound like a good fit.


Super Nintendo World

SNW has had overall positive reviews, and it seems to be very fleshed out. So why would SNW be the first? Almost zero people are rating Mario-Kart or DK as the top attraction at the park. Typically the top three are: Monsters, Ministry, and Stardust (not necessarily in the order). From there we might see MK or DK as 4th or 5th, but even then they have tough competition with Hiccup's, Untrainable, and the Paris Show. So if you're the Nintendo leadership, how are you going to feel knowing your rides are not the best at Epic Universe? It's possible that Nintendo leadership gets jealous and pushes Universal to build another e-ticket Nintendo attraction to rival Monsters/Ministry/Stardust.

The three obvious IPs are Luigi's Mansion, Pokemon, and Zelda. Not sure what ride system they could use. But within this 'Nintendo is jealous and wants to make the best ride' timeline, the ride would need to be crazy cool... Cooler than the 'MIB but you're vacuuming up ghosts' idea that we've seen with Luigi's Mansion.


HTTYD

I think this land has the least amount of justification for why it should be first to expand. It's a very solid land, with a great show, family coaster, flat ride, water ride, play area, and character meet and greets.

There is one timeline where the upcoming live action movie makes crazy amounts of money at the box office, and Universal leadership decides to capitalize on the success by fast-tracking an attraction. This seems pretty unlikely though.

If anything is really missing from this land, I think it's a 'ride on a REAL dragon' experience similar to Avatar: Flight of Passage. Something to one up Disney with this concept is what I'd go with.


Celestial Park

If Universal leadership feels they need some quick added capacity / additional attraction, then Celestial Park may be the first 'land' to get an attraction. They could very easily toss up a lightly themed flat ride or coaster in several different spots connected to Celestial Park. Stormforce was the first ride was added to IOA, so there's precedence set for Universal adding a flat ride as the first new attraction.

Note that Epic Universe is the only UOR park to not have a spinner flat ride (Kang and Kudos at USF, One Fish Two Fish at IOA). An astronomy themed spinner, possibly with some heights rivaling Astro Orbiter, might be a good touch and would give some nice views of the park. And this would not at all ruin sightlines if placed in the expansion pad between the entrance and SNW.
 
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RFRees said:
Perhaps before Universal opens up whole new worlds, they may first expand each existing world. Here are the arguments for each world and why they could be *first* to expand, as well as ideas for what attractions could come.


Wizarding World - Paris

We know Paris was supposed to get a second ride, but the idea got scrapped. I find it likely that Warner Bros will want to see a fast-tracked replacement to an attraction they were essentially promised. It's also very likely that Universal / Warner Bros may have an outline of an attraction (eg general concept, story, etc) that they could retool into something that works.

I think there are two major themes missing from The Wizarding World. First theme: flying broomsticks. This was the original rumored VR based attraction which got scrapped. I'm betting the fact that it was broomsticks had little to do with its cancellation. Could a ride use broomsticks but without VR? A ride system like Avatar Flight of Passage, Tron Lightcycle Run, or perhaps another unique ride system could work here.

The next missing theme from the Wizarding World is Dumbledore, who only appears briefly in Forbidden Journey. He's an integral character, and could be used to tie the two movie series (Potter and Fantastic Beasts) together. An attraction where Dumbledore teaches a sort of history class, taking students through critical moments in the Wizarding World timeline (as observers) could work very well. We could relive some favorite movements in a sort of 'best of' experience, without worrying about messing up Potter canon.


Dark Universe

The argument for expanding Dark Universe is simple: it's the smallest land. I think it's likely that this is the land Universal wasn't sure how guests would react. The reviews so far are overwhelming positive, with the major criticism being that the land is just too small.

Because Dark Universe is first party, this could give them a bit more freedom to fast-track an attraction, as opposed to potential red tape which may be involved working with WB and Nintendo.

The Creature from the Black Lagoon water ride ideas floating around (pun intended) sound like a good fit.


Super Nintendo World

SNW has had overall positive reviews, and it seems to be very fleshed out. So why would SNW be the first? Almost zero people are rating Mario-Kart or DK as the top attraction at the park. Typically the top three are: Monsters, Ministry, and Stardust (not necessarily in the order). From there we might see MK or DK as 4th or 5th, but even then they have tough competition with Hiccup's, Untrainable, and the Paris Show. So if you're the Nintendo leadership, how are you going to feel knowing your rides are not the best at Epic Universe? It's possible that Nintendo leadership gets jealous and pushes Universal to build another e-ticket Nintendo attraction to rival Monsters/Ministry/Stardust.

The three obvious IPs are Luigi's Mansion, Pokemon, and Zelda. Not sure what ride system they could use. But within this 'Nintendo is jealous and wants to make the best ride' timeline, the ride would need to be crazy cool... Cooler than the 'MIB but you're vacuuming up ghosts' idea that we've seen with Luigi's Mansion.


HTTYD

I think this land has the least amount of justification for why it should be first to expand. It's a very solid land, with a great show, family coaster, flat ride, water ride, play area, and character meet and greets.

There is one timeline where the upcoming live action movie makes crazy amounts of money at the box office, and Universal leadership decides to capitalize on the success by fast-tracking an attraction. This seems pretty unlikely though.

If anything is really missing from this land, I think it's a 'ride on a REAL dragon' experience similar to Avatar: Flight of Passage. Something to one up Disney with this concept is what I'd go with.


Celestial Park

If Universal leadership feels they need some quick added capacity / additional attraction, then Celestial Park may be the first 'land' to get an attraction. They could very easily toss up a lightly themed flat ride or coaster in several different spots connected to Celestial Park. Stormforce was the first ride was added to IOA, so there's precedence set for Universal adding a flat ride as the first new attraction.

Note that Epic Universe is the only UOR park to not have a spinner flat ride (Kang and Kudos at USF, One Fish Two Fish at IOA). An astronomy themed spinner, possibly with some heights rivaling Astro Orbiter, might be a good touch and would give some nice views of the park. And this would not at all ruin sightlines if placed in the expansion pad between the entrance and SNW.
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This pretty much sums up my mindset when it comes to expansion at EU.

Awesome post. !!!
 
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RFRees said:
Perhaps before Universal opens up whole new worlds, they may first expand each existing world. Here are the arguments for each world and why they could be *first* to expand, as well as ideas for what attractions could come.


Wizarding World - Paris

We know Paris was supposed to get a second ride, but the idea got scrapped. I find it likely that Warner Bros will want to see a fast-tracked replacement to an attraction they were essentially promised. It's also very likely that Universal / Warner Bros may have an outline of an attraction (eg general concept, story, etc) that they could retool into something that works.

I think there are two major themes missing from The Wizarding World. First theme: flying broomsticks. This was the original rumored VR based attraction which got scrapped. I'm betting the fact that it was broomsticks had little to do with its cancellation. Could a ride use broomsticks but without VR? A ride system like Avatar Flight of Passage, Tron Lightcycle Run, or perhaps another unique ride system could work here.

The next missing theme from the Wizarding World is Dumbledore, who only appears briefly in Forbidden Journey. He's an integral character, and could be used to tie the two movie series (Potter and Fantastic Beasts) together. An attraction where Dumbledore teaches a sort of history class, taking students through critical moments in the Wizarding World timeline (as observers) could work very well. We could relive some favorite movements in a sort of 'best of' experience, without worrying about messing up Potter canon.


Dark Universe

The argument for expanding Dark Universe is simple: it's the smallest land. I think it's likely that this is the land Universal wasn't sure how guests would react. The reviews so far are overwhelmingly positive, with the major criticism being that the land is just too small.

Because Dark Universe is first party, this could give them a bit more freedom to fast-track an attraction, as opposed to potential red tape which may be involved working with WB and Nintendo.

The Creature from the Black Lagoon water ride ideas floating around (pun intended) sound like a good fit.


Super Nintendo World

SNW has had overall positive reviews, and it seems to be very fleshed out. So why would SNW be the first? Almost zero people are rating Mario-Kart or DK as the top attraction at the park. Typically the top three are: Monsters, Ministry, and Stardust (not necessarily in the order). From there we might see MK or DK as 4th or 5th, but even then they have tough competition with Hiccup's, Untrainable, and the Paris Show. So if you're the Nintendo leadership, how are you going to feel knowing your rides are not the best at Epic Universe? It's possible that Nintendo leadership gets jealous and pushes Universal to build another e-ticket Nintendo attraction to rival Monsters/Ministry/Stardust.

The three obvious IPs are Luigi's Mansion, Pokemon, and Zelda. Not sure what ride system they could use. But within this 'Nintendo is jealous and wants to make the best ride' timeline, the ride would need to be crazy cool... Cooler than the 'MIB but you're vacuuming up ghosts' idea that we've seen with Luigi's Mansion.


HTTYD

I think this land has the least amount of justification for why it should be first to expand. It's a very solid land, with a great show, family coaster, flat ride, water ride, play area, and character meet and greets.

There is one timeline where the upcoming live action movie makes crazy amounts of money at the box office, and Universal leadership decides to capitalize on the success by fast-tracking an attraction. This seems pretty unlikely though.

If anything is really missing from this land, I think it's a 'ride on a REAL dragon' experience similar to Avatar: Flight of Passage. Something to one up Disney with this concept is what I'd go with.


Celestial Park

If Universal leadership feels they need some quick added capacity / additional attraction, then Celestial Park may be the first 'land' to get an attraction. They could very easily toss up a lightly themed flat ride or coaster in several different spots connected to Celestial Park. Stormforce was the first ride was added to IOA, so there's precedence set for Universal adding a flat ride as the first new attraction.

Note that Epic Universe is the only UOR park to not have a spinner flat ride (Kang and Kudos at USF, One Fish Two Fish at IOA). An astronomy themed spinner, possibly with some heights rivaling Astro Orbiter, might be a good touch and would give some nice views of the park. And this would not at all ruin sightlines if placed in the expansion pad between the entrance and SNW.
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There is only one spot a flat ride could go in Celestial park and thats in front of Helios, there are no other places, its got room for a footprint the size of the Seuss spinner. Also I think notion that SNW gets expanded as a land is dead now, it just kills any prospect of using the rest of that expansion pad for something else, when a separate Zelda land using all 7 acres makes way more sense for more than one ride and added capacity the park desperately needs
 
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I was looking at all of Universal's older catalog under the 'monsters' banner when i originally thought of the Metaluna Mutant and Mole People, but i came across "Tarantula" and i started thinking in this same kinda camp the same way Unchained is.

THE LOST VOYAGE
Setting:
Darkmoor Harbor and Shipping Co. on the edge of the swamp. A lagoon connects the ocean to Darkmoor's port.

Context:
It's always been rough getting outside shipments to come into Darkmoor due to its 'DARK' legacy, but this time, specific cargo for Victoria Frankenstein's experiments have gone missing and she's hired a team of shady and otherwise unscrupulous individuals to seek them out. You must venture into the swamps that lie between the ocean and Darkmoor's dock to seek out the lost shipment, as therein lies a tool paramount to the experiments going on in the Frankenstain estate castle. Who knows what goes on in there and why this is so important to Victoria, but we know she pays well, so we don't ask too many questions...

Characters:
Captain Maia - A haggard sailor, brave enough to have taken the order from the dockmaster and shipwright running the yard, despite all of his awful experience in the swamps throughout his life. He looks like a cat with nine lives who has run out of eight of them and you're not quite sure if he's all there, based on how he carries himself. He's had run-ins with a creature that stalks the lagoon before and he's lived to tell the tale to anyone who would listen, so he's coming along not just for the money but to make sure no one dies along the way; He's barely altruistic enough to admit as much out loud, if only to afford another bottle at the locale watering hole.
*If people want a character to show up in the "cantina" that many people liked @DrStarlander idea of being in the same mini-land as this indoor/outdoor ride, this is the character i'd suggest do a mini-show sequence, as the wisened old sailor is a stereotype for a reason. He can tell a series of stories of different monsters he's met in Darkmoor, not just the swamps, and how he may have been hired at one point to procure a certain coffin containing a certain individual back in the day. This isn't the amazon, but we still have a Creature, and where there is a Lagoon, we need a boat, and a boat needs a Captain.

Doctor Henry - A shady and quiet doctor conducting field research for Victoria, he hopes to find a specific algae native to Darkmoor swamp that a certain creature has been known to feed on to survive. The Captain warns him that this journey is not for those 'too busy with their noses in their books', and as much as he finds his nose in bottles - not the kind Henry is lugging around. The good Doctor promises the apprehensive Captain that he's not all 'brains' and that he has a couple tricks up his sleeve to take care of himself.
*Henry is, of course, Henry Jekyll but the audience wouldn't know that up front. Halfway through the ride, Henry would find what he's looking for and go to claim it but manage to get captured by Gillman in the process and 'disappear.' We think he's done for, so we keep moving, but we eventually get stuck in the downed ship debris macguffin we've been searching for. While trying to disconnect their cargo, he shows back up in time to take one of the potions he's been carrying in his bag and dislodge us from our predicament when he goes HYDE. In my head, Hyde would be more animalistic and gorilla-like, to really lean into the beastly side of it. I'm not sure if Henry would be a character they'd show walking around or in the cantina as much, but i could see him finding a place on the ride if you make it make enough sense.


Herbert "Herb" Griffin - A no-good rapscallion swindler type with a skin condition, so he keeps his face hidden; It's all a part of his schtick because he claims to be the greatest burglar the world has ever seen, so he can't let anyone see his face as he'll always have plausible deniability. He's always cracking jokes at the expense of the crew(and audience) but we all know he's in it for the money. As a foil to the Captain for all the wrong reasons, Maia is even more apprehensive about bringing Griffin because he can't be trusted, he calls him the "Invisible Man" to his face and Griffin just laughs(but doesn't disagree). Even if he is the biggest and bestest thief in all of Darkmoor, always bragging about how he will never get caught, he will have to prove himself useful to this expedition if he wants to get paid.
*Griffin is obviously the Invisible Man, and he will look so in appearance, even down to the face-wrapped bandages and shades. I'd want to bring in the more adventurous side of his appearance as a character in the land(he kinds looks like Rorschach and Negative Man had a baby imo) and less a mad scientist, as we already have so many of those running around. I realize i'm leaning into League of Extraordinary Gentleman territory a little bit here with my characters, but it ain't broke. This is essentially a mission into a dangerous place to procure misplaced goods, and Griffin can fit that bill. I think he'd work best as someone who reveals his hand earlier on in the ride, de-masking and going through the situation outside of us if only to prove the Captain right and make for a cool floating clothes visual gag payoff when we need to find the cargo we've been looking for. The real drum-cymbal ba-dum-tiss moment is that the Captain will openly remark at the end of the ride that he hopes wherever Griffin is, he's burning for abandoning them when they needed him most, to which Griffin will be heard -laughing- saying, "I've been here the whole time."

Creatures:
Gillman - The monster of Legend, stalking the swamps but also it's unbeknownst protector. Not the reason the original boat sank, but blamed for it all the same. He has territorial disputes with the other creatures in the swamp, but stands tall as the most agile and adept for the surroundings. He gave the Captain his most notable scar, and the Captain has been chasing that revenge-high ever since. He will look the same, if not more imposing than the Unchained attraction. Entering the swamp, he makes several background appearances before getting one of those JAWS up close moments attacking the boat and trying to drive it away, back where it came, and this is where i'd say Henry gets nabbed. The Captain knows where the creature is taking him, and he assumes it's where the wrecked cargo ship is too. In truth, Henry will reveal that the Creature was trying to keep people out of the swamp and he was able to find what he's been looking for in it's lair, promising to leave as soon as he got what he came for.

Mole People - In one scene, passing through a cavern, beady luminescent eyes will surround the boat and a scurrying can be heard. The Captain lights up a lantern, revealing you've been absolutely surrounded by them - they will appear smaller, more mammalian, mandible toothed humanoid creatures. They will turn and hear something else approaching in the cavern, and flee, to which i would want to interject with...

Tarantula - The biggest god damn spider you've ever seen. This is when i'd say Griffin says, "I didn't sign up for this. Spiders are where i draw the line" (his fear of being "caught") and bails.

Metaluna Mutant - When leaving the caverns, we come face to face with a large destroyed cargo ship with a hole punched through the side of it. The Captain will remark that this isn't the doing of Gillman, but something else, something he's never seen before. Our boat is small enough to float through the hole, and we enter the drowned cargo hold. This is where we get "stuck" but in reality, we're being held by the MM, who reveals itself, and in it's clutches, the 'tech' Victoria needs to complete her experiment (for purpose of being hand-held, let's just make it 2x2 metal box of unknown origin). The MM would be alien-like in its appearance (maybe -if only- to get those ExtraTERRORestrial feels) and the Captain would remark that it's 'not of this world.' This is when Gillman fights the mutant to claim Alpha territory of the swamp, protecting us at the same time. This is ALSO when Jekyll shows back up and goes HYDE to get us out of there and aid the Gillman in drowning the MM. Gillman and MM go into the water, only Gillman comes out. He looks at us once more, Jekyll now back to human form, explaining how he made an agreement for us to leave and never come back into this side of the swamp -into "his" territory- ever again. The Captain looks on in bewilderment, never having expected to be saved by what he thought once haunted him for so long. Reluctantly, but with macguffin in hand, Maia turns the boat around and brings us back to Darkmoor - a couple scratches here or there, but enough to tell a tale or two over a bottle of grog.

*The ride either begins and/or ends with an outdoor sequence, making it feel like the boat is leaving/returning to Darkmoor*
The End - exit through the harbormaster's unclaimed freight - visit the cantina for some hair of the dog, if ya dare.
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Just now finding this but I think this is brilliant. A perfect mix of scares and camp that matches Unchained's tone.
 
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The only argument for Berk to expand first is that it's the land that's most crippled by rain, lacking a ride that can operate during thunderstorms. That's the only reason though. It's more likely they expand the Toothless meet and greet than add a new ride to Berk at first.
 
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I got a survey about my visit to Epic Universe... but I ONLY got asked about Celestial Park and the attractions I experienced there. I wonder if that's the easiest expansion route they're thinking.
 
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I got a survey about my visit to Epic Universe... but I ONLY got asked about Celestial Park and the attractions I experienced there. I wonder if that's the easiest expansion route they're thinking.
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I bet they're also trying to figure out what to do about the area's entertainment.
 
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I bet they're also trying to figure out what to do about the area's entertainment.
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That or a sick new Astro Orbiter type flat ride but not sure what pad it could fit on. The carousel has a surprisingly large footprint.
 
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The only argument for Berk to expand first is that it's the land that's most crippled by rain, lacking a ride that can operate during thunderstorms. That's the only reason though. It's more likely they expand the Toothless meet and greet than add a new ride to Berk at first.
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They do have a large capacity first rate live theater show though.
 
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There's a pad just north of Atlantic, across the SNW portal and in front of the HTTYD that can accommodate a flat ride, and have space for a queue.
  • A Zamperla "Chronoz" would be a perfect fit in front of the SNW portal
  • Traditional Waveswinger in front of the HTTYD portal can work (some sort of flying contraption to connect loosely to HTTD)

The pad in front of Helios and Ministry should be left for Retail and Dining expansion.

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Obviously, I haven't been to the park but I would keep Celestial as it is. The open areas with a garden feel appear to be awesome. A great park should have a nice area to chill and unwind. I was at Islands of Adventure last week and it was a little difficult finding that area. Camp Jurassic is great but not enough seating. They took away the tables and chairs that faced Poseidon and so I made do with sitting on the rocks. I just don't want them to destroy a more peaceful area of the park. Stardust and the carousel is enough for that area.
 
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They should definitely add two Celestial flat rides, not that it would help when it rains, but with such technologically advanced rides/offerings, having something "simple"/thrilling that will have less downtime to enjoy is a welcome addition.

Although an indoor dark ride in Celestial would also be wise due to heat/rain.
 
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SkiBum said:
Obviously, I haven't been to the park but I would keep Celestial as it is. The open areas with a garden feel appear to be awesome. A great park should have a nice area to chill and unwind. I was at Islands of Adventure last week and it was a little difficult finding that area. Camp Jurassic is great but not enough seating. They took away the tables and chairs that faced Poseidon and so I made do with sitting on the rocks. I just don't want them to destroy a more peaceful area of the park. Stardust and the carousel is enough for that area.
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The concept map I posted are two underutilized areas that don't have much going on without removing too much foliage. They're currently taken up by empty lawns and/or merchandise kiosks, and no seating areas are being taken over.

Wesker69 said:
They should definitely add two Celestial flat rides, not that it would help when it rains, but with such technologically advanced rides/offerings, having something "simple"/thrilling that will have less downtime to enjoy is a welcome addition.

Although an indoor dark ride in Celestial would also be wise due to heat/rain.
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Agree, I just think the Orlando parks in general can be vastly improved with an infusion of well-themed flat rides throughout the parks.
 
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