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Bob Iger Returns/Disney CEO Thread (2022)

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An easy way to get #content to pad their streaming service

I don't understand it either

Personally, I think many of the 20th Century IPs actively work against Disney's image, but I'm not sure that bothers them when someone's using Hulu or D+
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Which to me is insane

For 8 Billion you had 2 Ips that within less then 2 years paid them back for buying them......Fox is like a lifetime deal where it takes them easily over 20 years to see a real value for these and even then why did you pay almost 20 times what you paid for Star Wars...to fill Hulu and Disney plus with things when you already bought Star Wars and Marvel to fill those same services...lol

It just makes no sense
 
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The Fox Deal never....never made sense to me

They should have paid much less and got the rest of the Marvel Characters from them....but they didn't need Fox and fox besides maybe Simpsons has provided them very little and honestly no idea besides filling Disney Plus/Hulu with fox titles what value they could have going forward.

Like literally for 8 billion Disney got Marvel and Star Wars.....for 62 Billion more they bought Fox....I'll never understand why.


My real question to the board who wants to make more money is how? You can Budget better but I really dont see anything Disney could buy....like if they had insane money then Nintendo would be an easy buy but after the Fox deal they no way in hell have that kinda funds so honestly dont know why you'd invest in Disney when they just don't have much room to grow without a huge restructure
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I think the bidding frenzy with Comcast made them lose sight of the worth of the company they were bidding on. Comcast must have laughed their asses off. And as a cherry on top Disney has to fork over at least another 27 Billion dollars for the rest of Hulu. :lmao:
 
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The Fox Deal never....never made sense to me

They should have paid much less and got the rest of the Marvel Characters from them....but they didn't need Fox and fox besides maybe Simpsons has provided them very little and honestly no idea besides filling Disney Plus/Hulu with fox titles what value they could have going forward.

Like literally for 8 billion Disney got Marvel and Star Wars.....for 62 Billion more they bought Fox....I'll never understand why.


My real question to the board who wants to make more money is how? You can Budget better but I really dont see anything Disney could buy....like if they had insane money then Nintendo would be an easy buy but after the Fox deal they no way in hell have that kinda funds so honestly dont know why you'd invest in Disney when they just don't have much room to grow without a huge restructure
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The reality is Disney couldn’t compete with a Netflix with just Marvel and Star Wars. You already see the fatigue from the shows setting in.

They needed more adult fare and as I’ve shown over and over again in the Disney+ thread, Disney actually runs a respectable service that can and does compete with the likes of Netflix and HBO Max in places as close as Canada or the UK. And adults actively use it to watch content aimed at adults!

They still overpaid for Fox. Iger had his sights set on going all in on content and streaming though and Comcast knew that and took advantage. The stuff the got in the Fox deal is a valuable part of TWDC as far as I’m concerned, but in their quest to go all in on streaming, they just keep losing billions (with many more billions coming Comcast’s way soon) despite the parks performing great.

The position that TWDC is in is very similar to that of Meta. They’re either gonna come out of this in a great position and as the only main streaming competitor to Netflix, or the billions will just have all been for nothing and Disney will be sold off in pieces.
 
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The reality is Disney couldn’t compete with a Netflix with just Marvel and Star Wars. You already see the fatigue from the shows setting in.

They needed more adult fare and as I’ve shown over and over again in the Disney+ thread, Disney actually runs a respectable service that can and does compete with the likes of Netflix and HBO Max in places as close as Canada or the UK. And adults actively use it to watch content aimed at adults!

They still overpaid for Fox. Iger had his sights set on going all in on content and streaming though and Comcast knew that and took advantage. The stuff the got in the Fox deal is a valuable part of TWDC as far as I’m concerned, but in their quest to go all in on streaming, they just keep losing billions (with many more billions coming Comcast’s way soon) despite the parks performing great.

The position that TWDC is in is very similar to that of Meta. They’re either gonna come out of this in a great position and as the only main streaming competitor to Netflix, or the billions will just have all been for nothing and Disney will be sold off in pieces.
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This is why I don't know how someone becomes CEO.

So Iger see's they need more adult content and instead of buying something cheap or making its own adult shows (Andor, star wars or not is a great adult show) you over spend and it could destroy the company? To beat Netflix when everyone for years has known Netflixs is in trouble as well because they are over spending....it makes no sense.

Do what you do best, not everyone company can be an apple or google. Its why I love Nintendo they have a stock at ten bucks...but they are happy as hell because they are making hand over fist money for the small amount they have to put into their products to make bank on afterwards.

Disney needs to just focus on what makes them great (used to be storytelling) and stop trying to please shareholders that are disillusion if they think Disney stock should be worth something like basically internet utilities.
 
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Oh dear, Bob lied...

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Please check sources and don't link to inflammatory blogs.
 
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This is why I don't know how someone becomes CEO.

So Iger see's they need more adult content and instead of buying something cheap or making its own adult shows (Andor, star wars or not is a great adult show) you over spend and it could destroy the company? To beat Netflix when everyone for years has known Netflixs is in trouble as well because they are over spending....it makes no sense.

Do what you do best, not everyone company can be an apple or google. Its why I love Nintendo they have a stock at ten bucks...but they are happy as hell because they are making hand over fist money for the small amount they have to put into their products to make bank on afterwards.

Disney needs to just focus on what makes them great (used to be storytelling) and stop trying to please shareholders that are disillusion if they think Disney stock should be worth something like basically internet utilities.
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They didn’t have the infrastructure or the the people in place to just start making adult aimed content.

Despite the cost, I do like the purchase overall. 20th Century Studios, Searchlight, FX, 20th Animation, and 20th Television and the 30% of Hulu really helps to diversify the company in a big way. FX especially helps in a big way with high quality adult content on streaming. It's their version of HBO. Searchlight is their auteur filmmaking/award studio. 20th Century is where they can focus on R-rated mainstream material such as horror or big brands like Kingsman, Planet of the Apes, Predator, Alien, Avatar, and even the Hercule Poirot/Agatha Christie franchise.

Again, the price was not ideal, but I just don't think they can be a Star Wars and Marvel driven company and in case Marvel starts to falter (such as with Phase 4), they can fall back on something else that they otherwise wouldn't have had (in this case, they're hoping that other something is Avatar 2).
 
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They didn’t have the infrastructure or the the people in place to just start making adult aimed content.

Despite the cost, I do like the purchase overall. 20th Century Studios, Searchlight, FX, 20th Animation, and 20th Television and the 30% of Hulu really helps to diversify the company in a big way. FX especially helps in a big way with high quality adult content on streaming. It's their version of HBO. Searchlight is their auteur filmmaking/award studio. 20th Century is where they can focus on R-rated mainstream material such as horror or big brands like Kingsman, Planet of the Apes, Predator, Alien, Avatar, and even the Hercule Poirot/Agatha Christie franchise.

Again, the price was not ideal, but I just don't think they can be a Star Wars and Marvel driven company and in case Marvel starts to falter (such as with Phase 4), they can fall back on something else that they otherwise wouldn't have had (in this case, they're hoping that other something is Avatar 2).
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Like that huge ass cruise ship, FOX was on sale so why not. But I do have to say Iger definitely looks worse in retrospect than Murdoch in regards to 21st Century Fox's sale (Murdoch still sucks the first hand rail in the Huanted Mansion after the stretching room bad).
 
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I absolutely think the Fox acquisition was a net negative.

- If you care about getting more theatrical movies made each year, it was bad.
- If you care about thousands of people's jobs, it was bad.
- If you care about keeping Disney's finances reasonable, it was bad.
- If you care about most of Fox's extensive, thousands-of-titles-deep library ever coming out of the vault, it was bad.

Sure, it brought several franchises under Disney's control (X-Men, Alien, Predator, Planet of the Apes), but that isn't an inherent good to me in and of itself. PREY was surprisingly good (I would have preferred it had gone theatrical), but we'll have to see what they do with the rest.

Buying Fox was, from my vantage point, an ego-driven play by Iger to further bolster his supposed "legacy."
 
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Arthur Bochner, Chapek's Chief of Staff & Communications Director, is out, according to WDW Magic.
 
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Can Iger re-allocate some funds so that ESPN can afford better than Motorola flip phone cameras for college football coverage?
 
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I absolutely think the Fox acquisition was a net negative.

- If you care about getting more theatrical movies made each year, it was bad.
- If you care about thousands of people's jobs, it was bad.
- If you care about keeping Disney's finances reasonable, it was bad.
- If you care about most of Fox's extensive, thousands-of-titles-deep library ever coming out of the vault, it was bad.

Sure, it brought several franchises under Disney's control (X-Men, Alien, Predator, Planet of the Apes), but that isn't an inherent good to me in and of itself. PREY was surprisingly good (I would have preferred it had gone theatrical), but we'll have to see what they do with the rest.

Buying Fox was, from my vantage point, an ego-driven play by Iger to further bolster his supposed "legacy."
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Let me address theatrical movies per year: I guess I get what you are talking about in that since Fox is no longer their own company, that's one less studio making their own release decisions. However, Disney themselves is also releasing more theatrical movies per year than they have in a LONG time.

I do concede it has hurt the theatrical market, but the theatrical market would also have no issue if streaming services would be logical and release movies to theaters before streaming. Content is meant to be made to grow a streaming service. Is Disenchanted and Hocus Pocus 2 for example growing Disney+'s subscriber base at all? No. The people who want to watch those movies were almost definitely already subscribed, meaning Disney+ made those movies essentially at a complete loss and they will never see any money made off of them if they don't release them separately off of D+ to be purchased on Blu-Ray or digital. They would've at least saw some return if they had a theatrical run.

I won't bother mentioning anything about your other points because you aren't necessarily wrong. But at the same time I still like the move from a diversification standpoint so i'm in a weird place of just being like "welp, it's not my money so I guess I don't really care too much".

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Arthur Bochner, Chapek's Chief of Staff & Communications Director, is out, according to WDW Magic.
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That makes sense. Anyone who was really tight with Chapek is probably out.

This is a regime change and it's about changing the company culture back to where Iger had it and if people are resistant or don't fit that direction, then there's no reason for Iger to keep Chapek's people when he can replace them with people who will do things his way.
 
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Let me address theatrical movies per year: I guess I get what you are talking about in that since Fox is no longer their own company, that's one less studio making their own release decisions. However, Disney themselves is also releasing more theatrical movies per year than they have in a LONG time.

I do concede it has hurt the theatrical market, but the theatrical market would also have no issue if streaming services would be logical and release movies to theaters before streaming. Content is meant to be made to grow a streaming service. Is Disenchanted and Hocus Pocus 2 for example growing Disney+'s subscriber base at all? No. The people who want to watch those movies were almost definitely already subscribed, meaning Disney+ made those movies essentially at a complete loss and they will never see any money made off of them if they don't release them separately off of D+ to be purchased on Blu-Ray or digital. They would've at least saw some return if they had a theatrical run.

I won't bother mentioning anything about your other points because you aren't necessarily wrong. But at the same time I still like the move from a diversification standpoint so i'm in a weird place of just being like "welp, it's not my money so I guess I don't really care too much".
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I love how we're slowly circling our way back to the days of Blockbuster only virtual
 
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Glad Iger is back. Chapek was absolutely not the guy.

As for Iger's return with Disney+ being a hot topic.

Streaming is going to have to consolidate. Right now, to pay for "streaming content", consumers are seemingly purchasing it for premium, above network level shows. Disney seems to need to keep ESPN, Hulu and Disney+ separate, but they are also undercharging for each of these 3 services, and they've priced themselves into a bit of a box. No one likes price increases, and the content I've consumed, outside of marvel and Star Wars really isn't for me, or is just so lackluster in quality for Streaming I can't really stand it. I see a future where we go from something like 200 streaming platforms now, to somethings close to 40-50 that are bundled with smaller upcharges to other services or are apart of other tech ecosystems.


Many of these streaming services will fold into companies that have their own bit of a flywheel where they can can afford to spend money to keep consumers in their ecosystem (i.e Apple, Google, Amazon and yes to a lesser extent, Comcast).
Apple's primary market is Tech. They can afford to bleed billions of dollars to compete for market share. Same with Amazon. Prime offers free shipping, next day delivery for damn near everything you could ever need, plus free ad-less tv and movies? And then they're still making money on individual transactions. Their product is probably undervalued. Google? They are a bit late to the game, but they have a kicker. Youtube is unlike any of these other streaming platforms and it already generates money, but is still, not their core business. A clever, better integration and original content could begin to send them over the moon, and they aren't Apple, but their market cap is still sitting above 1 Trillion, even now. They could play harder if they wanted to, they just need to consolidate their services into a single platform that is user friendly. Right now, I have to do a search just to get to the page with their free movie content as it is easier to navigate from there then from within youtube.

And then, you have my favorite, Comcast. Comcast is a Telecom. These services can't function without an internet connected device, and at the end of the day you still need an internet provider for your home. Cable sales may be slowing down, but if they can restructure cable for the "streaming wars" and offer new ways of delivering cable and internet to people's homes at an effective price point in conjunction with "cable", they probably end up being a clear winner in the long game, with some stipulation. Comcast owns NBC Universal, they already have T.V networks, a legacy studio, streaming (which needs work), and their biggest competitor in this space will probably be Amazon, with they themselves launching a Starlink competitor to become an ISP. Comcast, if they play their cards right, can become a trillon dollar market cap company, But they need to play a close hand and at more utility to their ecosystem.

Either way, my unpopular hot take is streaming is an expensive redundancy to a service like Xfinity with content on demand. Cable had "netflix" long before netflix switched over to a streaming oriented business, which made sense for their business model. I think wallstreet and several companies jumped the gun on going all in on streaming. It's expensive to populate brand new platforms to fit the model laid forth by netflix... Which leads to another problem, which is content oversaturation which is a whole other pages long rant.


There will probably not be many more, especially when you can monetize content on a platform like Youtube without having to build your own backend. When channels can deliver content on demand via cable or free-for-all content platforms with dedicated channels the "streaming wars" make no sense... Comcast and other cable providers just lost the plot on pricing and informing the consumers. Either way, the whole cable box thing will probably not last another 20 years, when you can integrate cable service (personalized dvr for live television+ on demand content delivery) with something like a Sony or even Nintendo gaming console with a dedicated app. Perhaps in a few years even internet connected Tv's have dedicated storage built in, but even then, DVR is a redundancy for on demand content delivery. These things can all be achieved with apps and cloud storage and perhaps be scaled more efficiently this way. Who has the better footing for that kind of environment, and can deliver "streaming quality" shows? NBC can do the big budget show, (i.e 2013's Dracula, a show before its time) but they need to figure out what they are doing with streaming... Can't do it with reality TV alone, and the market is becoming crowded.

I'm curious to see how this all pans out... Either way, my opinion is that smaller streaming platforms, plus things like Disney plus are going to be outpaced by companies that have infrastructure that they simply do not. Netflix had first mover advantage and that is it. They all can't survive on IP alone, and Disney's branding and "Disneyfication" just does not mesh well with other properties (Marvel, Star Wars)... Add to Disney's problems bin, Comcast owns a stake in Hulu, and quite frankly I can't imagine any scenario where they give up that leverage, if there is ever a time Disney can afford to buy them out in the near or long term.

I'm anxiously awaiting to see what happens under Iger with Disney Plus, and am equally curious to see what happens with Galactic Star Cruiser, and quality of attractions in the parks... How will Disney adapt to this complex business environment and course correct and future proof their service.
 
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Disney Plan to Restructure, on McKinsey’s Advice, Caused Uproar

Ta da. That would do it.
 
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Disney Plan to Restructure, on McKinsey’s Advice, Caused Uproar

Ta da. That would do it.
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There was talk that part of how this went down (Chapek being ousted) was because the heads of all the studios got together and contacted the board and basically gave them an ultimatum and said it's him or us.
 
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If this info is correct, it will be interesting to see if CFO McCarthy, who looks like was also instrumental in the cost cutting initiative, is still employed after the next few months.
 
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If this info is correct, it will be interesting to see if CFO McCarthy, who looks like was also instrumental in the cost cutting initiative, is still employed after the next few months.
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I recon Iger is going to do a lot of the same things Chapek was about to do (hiring freezes, layoffs, focus on making D+ profitable, etc)

He's just going to reorganize the company so that creatives are making a lot more decisions (which to be honest, could go either way)

And he's also extremally diplomatic, and has relational equity with the media and Disney employees..sooooo, ya

Something I found strangely interesting about Chapek was his ability to just say exactly what was happening without any buzzword cover...

And when he did add those things, it came off as extremely scripted
 
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If this info is correct, it will be interesting to see if CFO McCarthy, who looks like was also instrumental in the cost cutting initiative, is still employed after the next few months.
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It's the WSJ, they have sourcing to back up their claims.
 
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It's the WSJ, they have sourcing to back up their claims.
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Yes, I'd bet on that info.....Early reports had McCarthy playing the Miss Innocent role and being the driving force behind the Chapek ouster. With the WSJ report she's more of
a nefarious force, which is what I personally always believed her to be before this all happened. As @shiekra38 says, expect many of the same cuts from Iger. But now I'd expect the decisions to be returned
to those who generally made them before. And I'm guessing the Disney + costs and expenditures will slow down. Chapek was too gung ho pushing a Disney + dominance, and fairy tale profit,
that's just not going to happen in the next few years. ....But I'm interested in seeing what happens with the CFO once the dust settles.
 
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