Villains Land at Magic Kingdom

[PerceptiveCoot]

Yeah, to be clear here, I think the ideal scenario is you still have a dozen high-quality animatronics of the heavy hitters. The screens let you radically expand the cast.

Would totally be fine with what is effectively Monsters Unchained. I mean, two years ago, I thought this was something they'd do in 2040, if at all.

 

[UPSguy]

We'll definitely get more information on this during D23 this year. But I'm curious if the TDS Peter Pan is as high capacity as a boat ride, like ISAW or the Shanghai POTC. The only flat ride coming to this expansion is going in the Piston Peak section.

 

[Parkscope Joe]

We'll definitely get more information on this during D23 this year. But I'm curious if the TDS Peter Pan is as high capacity as a boat ride, like ISAW or the Shanghai POTC. The only flat ride coming to this expansion is going in the Piston Peak section.

It's basically a SCOOP, so 1800-2000 guests an hour.

 

[kingcooger]

We'll definitely get more information on this during D23 this year. But I'm curious if the TDS Peter Pan is as high capacity as a boat ride, like ISAW or the Shanghai POTC. The only flat ride coming to this expansion is going in the Piston Peak section.

When I went the line was outside the main queue and almost all the way down to the Fantasy Springs entrance and it only took 45 minutes from the point we entered until we boarded the ride.

It certainly FEELS efficient, if nothing else.

 

[UniversalRBLX]

We'll definitely get more information on this during D23 this year. But I'm curious if the TDS Peter Pan is as high capacity as a boat ride, like ISAW or the Shanghai POTC. The only flat ride coming to this expansion is going in the Piston Peak section.

Too early to know, but at the very least MK is getting an overall capacity boost.

• Cars E-Ticket (1,300-1,600) -> this one concerns me as it's a relatively new ride system and completely outdoor and open to the elements.
• Cars C-Ticket Flat Ride (600-800)
• Villains E-Ticket Coaster (1,400 - 1,850)
• Villains E-Ticket Dark Ride (1,800-2,000) -> as Joe mentions above. Once Avengers open, we can get a good idea of how it'll all work out.

Overall, it's roughly about 5,100-6,250 add'l hourly capacity.

Pair that with some of the other smaller improvements (Buzz, CoP w/ Walt), it should help MK overall tremendously. Especially if Villains gets the dual fireworks show concept like SWGE at DL, I think that's where the land will help the most.

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Edit to Add: Disney isn't wasting time on getting other MK-related projects started. They submitted a permit to expand the queue for the ferry, and I'd imagine that's part of an overall improvement package for the transportation network between TTC & MK. Could imagine that the ferry queue expansion would be required if they expected more use out of the ferry and less stress on the monorail system?

One issue Disney needs to resolve regarding MK is how they can better manage guests arriving for special events (Not So Scary, etc.) as they get more increasingly popular. MK's entrance becomes a bottleneck during events.

 

[Mad Dog]

Too early to know, but at the very least MK is getting an overall capacity boost.

• Cars E-Ticket (1,300-1,600) -> this one concerns me as it's a relatively new ride system and completely outdoor and open to the elements.
• Cars C-Ticket Flat Ride (600-800)
• Villains E-Ticket Coaster (1,400 - 1,850)
• Villains E-Ticket Dark Ride (1,800-2,000) -> as Joe mentions above. Once Avengers open, we can get a good idea of how it'll all work out.

Overall, it's roughly about 5,100-6,250 add'l hourly capacity.

Pair that with some of the other smaller improvements (Buzz, CoP w/ Walt), it should help MK overall tremendously. Especially if Villains gets the dual fireworks show concept like SWGE at DL, I think that's where the land will help the most.

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Edit to Add: Disney isn't wasting time on getting other MK-related projects started. They submitted a permit to expand the queue for the ferry, and I'd imagine that's part of an overall improvement package for the transportation network between TTC & MK. Could imagine that the ferry queue expansion would be required if they expected more use out of the ferry and less stress on the monorail system?

One issue Disney needs to resolve regarding MK is how they can better manage guests arriving for special events (Not So Scary, etc.) as they get more increasingly popular. MK's entrance becomes a bottleneck during events.

With attendance mostly flat, and still not equaling pre covid MK numbers, plus fixing the previous fraud riddled Disability system, MK has become so much more comfortable to tour. Stand by, except for the Holidays, isn't bad for the most part, with only a couple exceptions. So these expansions are going to make touring even better...overall. I don't think the Tom Sawyer Island/Rafts and Paddlewheel boat consumed much capacity in the past decade, so Cars and Villains will be a heavy capacity plus.

 

[UniversalRBLX]

With attendance mostly flat, and still not equaling pre covid MK numbers, plus fixing the previous fraud riddled Disability system, MK has become so much more comfortable to tour. Stand by, except for the Holidays, isn't bad for the most part, with only a couple exceptions. So these expansions are going to make touring even better...overall. I don't think the Tom Sawyer Island/Rafts and Paddlewheel boat consumed much capacity in the past decade, so Cars and Villains will be a heavy capacity plus.

100%

My only gripe with the removal of TSI and Liberty Belle is purely from an aesthetic point of view.

 

[HHN Maddux]

Are we expecting the main dark ride to use the SCOOP equivalent?

 

[belloq87]

My only gripe with the removal of TSI and Liberty Belle is purely from an aesthetic point of view.

It's an aesthetic loss, certainly, but I also think the Liberty Belle offered a great value in terms of:

• Providing a substantial ride length that guests could (usually) access without any wait.
• Allowing guests to slow down, relax, and enjoy atmosphere for 15 minutes away from crowds... while still actually on a ride.
• Honoring Walt's love of American history, which is something the castle parks should strive to hang onto.

Villains and Cars will certainly absorb more guests, but all those experiences will end up having (probably) hour+ waits at minimum, which you will spend crammed in with a thousand other visitors.

The WDW Railroad will become much more important in this scenario (as will the theater shows, but those obviously aren't rides), and I hope Villains gives the chance to really add an actual show scene to the full loop once it reopens.

Bottom line, theme parks still need slower-paced, more relaxed spaces that are still providing an experience for the guest. Some might argue that those don't generate revenue, but that's one-dimensional thinking: a more refreshed/recharged guest is a happier guest, and a happier guest will spend money.

 

[UniversalRBLX]

Bottom line, theme parks still need slower-paced, more relaxed spaces that are still providing an experience for the guest. Some might argue that those don't generate revenue, but that's one-dimensional thinking: a more refreshed/recharged guest is a happier guest, and a happier guest will spend money.

I 100% agree... but MK does have a good amount of options that offer this.

Carousel of Progress, PeopleMover, Hall of Presidents, Country Bear Jamboree, and Tiki Room will still be at this park, so I'm not too worried on the front. Combined, that's roughly 1.5-2 hours of just continuous "no wait" experiences.