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The Icons and Lore Thread

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And you’re not going to get it because 1) the characters are not deep or unique enough to carry a film by themselves, 2) the lore isn’t popular enough for the general audience to justify centering films around it, 3) Universal—as a creative entity—is going to prioritize the marketing/advertising potential of the HHN name and tie that to parks.

You say the fandom is getting bigger how are you actually defining “the fandom.” Are you referring to how many folks ask about the lore on Reddit/Discord? If that’s your measure, it actually isn’t that more active than it’s been for twenty years. Or are you referring to the total number of people attending the event? That number IS increasing, but it’s not lore and original characters driving that increase. It’s IPs.

Universal recognizes that producing a wide-release film focused on Pennywise Jack, Harley Quinn Chance, Pumpkinhead Pumpkin Lord, Mary Shaw the Storyteller, Phantom of the Opera Usher or any other icon will immediately get dismissed as an imitation. That’s because those characters ARE imitations. Their individual lores are also fairly shallow and contrived as well. The only thing that actually makes them compelling at all is the fact they’re taking over a theme park. If a film removes the theme park aspect, then everything about the icon becomes hollow.
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Well they Might get films, at this point we just don’t know yet. And Pumpkin Lord does not Look Like Pumpkin-Head the two are separate characters. And Have different lore from Each other. That Includes Sam from Trick R Treat. He’s the spirit of Halloween who enforces the rules, Pumpkin Lord is the God of Halloween. Who causes terror and chaos on Halloween Night. At this point let’s politely end this discussion. Until further notice on the future.
 
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Legacy said:
And you’re not going to get it because 1) the characters are not deep or unique enough to carry a film by themselves, 2) the lore isn’t popular enough for the general audience to justify centering films around it, 3) Universal—as a creative entity—is going to prioritize the marketing/advertising potential of the HHN name and tie that to parks.

You say the fandom is getting bigger how are you actually defining “the fandom.” Are you referring to how many folks ask about the lore on Reddit/Discord? If that’s your measure, it actually isn’t that more active than it’s been for twenty years. Or are you referring to the total number of people attending the event? That number IS increasing, but it’s not lore and original characters driving that increase. It’s IPs.

Universal recognizes that producing a wide-release film focused on Pennywise Jack, Harley Quinn Chance, Pumpkinhead Pumpkin Lord, Mary Shaw the Storyteller, Phantom of the Opera Usher or any other icon will immediately get dismissed as an imitation. That’s because those characters ARE imitations. Their individual lores are also fairly shallow and contrived as well. The only thing that actually makes them compelling at all is the fact they’re taking over a theme park. If a film removes the theme park aspect, then everything about the icon becomes hollow.
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In all fairness, Dead Silence isn’t regarded as one of the “great” horror films. And regardless of his films quality, Pumpkinhead isn’t among the “popular” horror icons.
 
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Legacy said:
Universal recognizes that producing a wide-release film focused on Pennywise Jack, Harley Quinn Chance, Pumpkinhead Pumpkin Lord, Mary Shaw the Storyteller, Phantom of the Opera Usher or any other icon will immediately get dismissed as an imitation. That’s because those characters ARE imitations. Their individual lores are also fairly shallow and contrived as well. The only thing that actually makes them compelling at all is the fact they’re taking over a theme park. If a film removes the theme park aspect, then everything about the icon becomes hollow.
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Didn't Jigsaw host a year at some point? Honestly, I feel like that is far more in the spirit of HHN Icons than people are willing to admit.

I wonder if Universal actually had the opportunity and resources in the 90s or 2000s to make it happen, would they have just forgone original "Icon"-type characters and had Freddy, Ghostface, and other talkative IP Horror villains be the center of marketing instead?
 
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Didn't Jigsaw host a year at some point? Honestly, I feel like that is far more in the spirit of HHN Icons than people are willing to admit.

I wonder if Universal actually had the opportunity and resources in the 90s or 2000s to make it happen, would they have just forgone original "Icon"-type characters and had Freddy, Ghostface, and other talkative IP Horror villains be the center of marketing instead?
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That was for Hollywood not Orlando
 
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Didn't Jigsaw host a year at some point? Honestly, I feel like that is far more in the spirit of HHN Icons than people are willing to admit.

I wonder if Universal actually had the opportunity and resources in the 90s or 2000s to make it happen, would they have just forgone original "Icon"-type characters and had Freddy, Ghostface, and other talkative IP Horror villains be the center of marketing instead?
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In Hollywood’s 2009 event. Before that, 2008 had Freddy Krueger as the icon. Looking at both years, they seemed to utilized them as Icons pretty well.

I’ve talked about this before, I think it wouldn’t be a bad idea for a licensed horror character to serve as the “main villain” icon for an event. Orlando already technically had one in 2008. Freddy and Chucky are pretty good options, so could Ghostface if the rights weren’t over the place.
 
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In Hollywood’s 2009 event. Before that, 2008 had Freddy Krueger as the icon. Looking at both years, they seemed to utilized them as Icons pretty well.

I’ve talked about this before, I think it wouldn’t be a bad idea for a licensed horror character to serve as the “main villain” icon for an event. Orlando already technically had one in 2008. Freddy and Chucky are pretty good options, so could Ghostface if the rights weren’t over the place.
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In retrospect unfortunately those days have passed by, it’s the Digital age. People want original stuff
 
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In retrospect unfortunately those days have passed by, it’s the Digital age. People want original stuff
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I’m confused by what you mean by this?
 
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