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Walt Disney World Tech News & Discussion- Magic Bands, Genie+, and more

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Just visited since the first time since 2019 so had my first run in with Genie+. While I possibly, maybe prefer this system to the previous FP+ reservation system where non-resort guests had basically no shot of shortcutting the lines of the major E-tickets due to the extended booking window for resort guests, it's still a hilariously wack system to me. Went to DHS so naturally Slinky is the only real pick for your first LL, but you gotta play the 7am lottery which had me stressing the f out the night before. Tapped as soon after 7am as I could and got a return time of 10:20 (park opened at 9). I immediately tried to play the slots and modify the time just for the heck of it, and the times ranged from 4-6pm at like 7:01. The fact that you can even play the slots over and over to potentially move up your return window is also wack and the entire system takes up more of my headspace than just enjoying the park and riding rides, the woes of a habitual minmaxer I guess.

So it was 10:15am, I was ready to tap in for Slinky but the ride was down. I asked a CM at the entrance what I should do since I would normally be able to tap in at this time and immediately book my next LL for Tower of Terror. I'm not sure he even understood the system since he just said to make sure not to tap in for Slinky or book another LL. I Googled and saw that my Slinky LL would convert to a multiple experiences LL, which didn't happen until like five minutes into my window (which was 10 minutes after I realized there was an issue), so I was starting to get a little concerned but whatever. By this time I had hopped in the standby line for Toy Story Mania and saw that my LL converted to a multiple experiences LL. Some number of minutes after all this the app tells me that I'm eligible to book another LL, which also confused me because I hadn't tapped in for Slinky, nor had it been two hours after park opening to get a stackable LL. I wasn't sure if booking another would cancel the multiple experiences LL, so after some furious Googling I learned that multiple experiences LLs exist in a different pool than regular LLs and that you can hold both at the same time. I was able to book ToT at that point, but not until after wasting a decent amount of time, again, on my phone doing on the fly research.

I also rose RotR for the first time and it was really impressive! Unfortunately purchasing an individual LL for it was...I think the first time in my life that I've essentially paid separately to ride an individual ride at a theme park. I can't help but feel this influenced my perception of the ride somewhat, as while I found it extremely impressive, I'm not sure it was necessarily worth the $25 to skip a two-hour line.

Massive wait time inflating also seems to be a thing to some extent? I hopped in line for MMRR at like 9:20am with a posted 75-minute wait and waited only 20 minutes to get to the preshow. Only did this because I heard from a friend that they do this particularly badly on MMRR to try and sell Genie+. Kinda scummy?!

So overall I had fun (ToT carries this park so hard) but holy hell the Genie+ system can be very complicated and confusing. I don't want to be "that guy" and say that any system with a little bit of a learning curve or friction is automatically "too complicated," but between the 7am lottery, playing the slots constantly for a chance at a better time, multiple experiences LLs that aren't explained well enough imo, and the amount of optimization you can feel compelled to do by tapping in five minutes before your return time and immediately booking another LL, it's just a lot. And on top of all this, you have to pay extra $$ to have the privilege of stressing out over it. As a regular schmuck I don't see why Disney doesn't just copy Universal's Express system and just sell like a $150/day once-per-ride express ticket that gets you in the LLs. I would ultimately prefer no line skipping option at all, but what I like about Express is that you either have it or you don't. Once you have it, there's no scheduling to consider, no slots to play, you just walk up and ride. For most of the day at DHS I feel like my brain had to be switched on to a higher degree than what makes sense when you're on vacation (though admittedly I'm a local ). I also have no idea how a first timer is supposed to understand any of this or benefit from it? Like if you don't know that you need to make a good LL pick at 7am sharp, you're just kinda screwed for that ride unless you're good with waiting in a long line.
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It'll be interesting to see what the Lightning Lane lines for D/E ticket attractions will be in another month once Disney's crackdown on Disability line access fraud starts. Supposedly the lightening lines for D/E attractions were comprised of about 80% disability passes (according to Touring Plans and others in the know) and their traveling friends and family. Genie + and standby guests had much longer waits due to this. Touring Plans studies had shown that the Genie + lines were down to only about a 1 to 1 1/2 hr. average total daily time savings compared to the 3 hrs. average savings when they started it. It's a too complicated, and pain in the butt, system as it now exists. Myself, I wouldn't use it in it's present form, especially if you're not going to be in a park for the entire day, opening to closing. Rumors are that the system is going to be modified in the future, and advance booking if staying at a Disney hotel will be back in the equation, after being paused until they fix the 'broken' disability pass system that had become rampant with fraud from guests learning tricks from social media influencers and even Disney CM';s and CP taking advantage of the loopholes when they visited the parks. It's no fun to have to have your face in your phone all day while on vacation.
 
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They overthought and over-monetized the system like crazy. I disagree with the choice to charge for it, but understand that there is absolutely a market to sell front-of-the-line passes to people who want them, simply based on the fact that despite Fastpasses being free from their inception, every other company that dipped their toes in from Universal to Seaworld to Six Flags made their version a priced service.

From I what I understand of it, it seemed like Disneyland had the right idea with Maxpass. Digital Fastpasses give an ease to practices like having to run to Space Mountain or Toy Story Mania at the start of the day, reduces back-tracking afterwards, and provides a relatively simple service, with the main differences being a $20 fee per day for however long you choose to participate in the Fastpass service. That seems fairly reasonable to me.

Having certain attractions locked behind a paywall at Walt Disney World is one of my least favorite things that has come from the service. If you miss your chance for Guardians on any given day, it's $25 to enter, take it or leave it. I thought the E-A Ticket system was been left behind in the 70s. :skull:
 
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Having certain attractions locked behind a paywall at Walt Disney World is one of my least favorite things that has come from the service. If you miss your chance for Guardians on any given day, it's $25 to enter, take it or leave it. I thought the E-A Ticket system was been left behind in the 70s. :skull:
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And even this can be hit or miss. I mean I'm not sure how quick GotG individual LLs go, but I got mine for RotR at 9am sharp as a non-resort guest and my window was already starting at 4:20pm (on 4/20, how about that).

MaxPass was a good system because you didn't have to wake up early to utilize it, and there was a good deal of pressure taken off having to buy the service since you got regular FP for free anyway. I only had two park hopper days at DLR to experience it, but it was totally positive and I got to see/do a LOT. Regular FastPass was also a decent system because with how inconvenient it was to physically grab return tickets, it means that not everyone was tapping on their phones at the same time to book rides, so standby was less affected. In a world where the vast majority of guests buy MaxPass, I suspect the result would likely be similar to Genie+, but I'm not sure if there are any differences in the nuance. Basically where I'm at is if there's going to be any fastpass/express system whatsoever, either make it 1. extremely expensive, but extremely simple/effective, or 2. free, but a little inconvenient so everyone isn't maxing it out constantly and wrecking standby times.
 
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And even this can be hit or miss. I mean I'm not sure how quick GotG individual LLs go, but I got mine for RotR at 9am sharp as a non-resort guest and my window was already starting at 4:20pm (on 4/20, how about that).

MaxPass was a good system because you didn't have to wake up early to utilize it, and there was a good deal of pressure taken off having to buy the service since you got regular FP for free anyway. I only had two park hopper days at DLR to experience it, but it was totally positive and I got to see/do a LOT. Regular FastPass was also a decent system because with how inconvenient it was to physically grab return tickets, it means that not everyone was tapping on their phones at the same time to book rides, so standby was less affected. In a world where the vast majority of guests buy MaxPass, I suspect the result would likely be similar to Genie+, but I'm not sure if there are any differences in the nuance. Basically where I'm at is if there's going to be any fastpass/express system whatsoever, either make it 1. extremely expensive, but extremely simple/effective, or 2. free, but a little inconvenient so everyone isn't maxing it out constantly and wrecking standby times.
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We've somehow landed on a horrible mess of the worst of both options. How unfortunate. I hope GotG becomes stand-by accessible soon and that Tiana's isn't a massive pain to experience this summer.

I'd say Tron too, but then I remember how hard they bungled the extended standby queue for that and think it might just be reservation only forever. :skull:
 
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So does the Cosmic Rewind 1pm virtual queue usually go in five seconds

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Very interesting video here from Marques Brownlee who got to spend some time at the Imagineering Labs and play with the holotile multi-directional treadmill. 360 treadmills such as this are very popular(if you can afford it) in the VR space, but I’ve never seen one that is so seamless and imagining the possibilities for this in the parks is crazy to think about.

The most obvious way I’d assume would be the way he showcases using “the force”. Imagine in SWGE they introduce an experience that has something like that. Would be pretty cool if they can perfect it.
 
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Sorry to double post, but I wanted to keep my opinions separate from the information.

If they're getting rid of the Genie+ moniker entirely, why not just switch back from Lightning Lane to FastPass? As I understand it, this is effectively just a regression back to FastPass+, except I don't have to remember to make reservations 60 days in advance.
 
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As a local, this may be what tips the scale for me from Pro-VL to Anti-VL…
 
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As a local, this may be what tips the scale for me from Pro-VL to Anti-VL…
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What is VL
 
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I’m so tired of learning new things, my brain can’t take it ! :sob:
 
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Sorry to double post, but I wanted to keep my opinions separate from the information.

If they're getting rid of the Genie+ moniker entirely, why not just switch back from Lightning Lane to FastPass? As I understand it, this is effectively just a regression back to FastPass+, except I don't have to remember to make reservations 60 days in advance.
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I shared the information tho lol
 
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I shared the information tho lol
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Didn't have the tiers mate.
 
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Honestly, I preferred Genie+. I know I’m in the minority but it made way more sense to schedule all your Lightning lanes the same day and pacing guests by using the time slot availability system to use a Lightning lane throughout the day so everyone has a fair shot at “X” attraction.

You make things increasingly more complicated and frustrating when Disney has now backpedaled to start booking Lightning lanes 3 days earlier now.

Pick one system.

Edit: I DO like that at least you don’t have to pay until you technically have the selections you are happy with, nice addition. Still does not change the fact that you gotta start worrying about all this garbage three days in advance (yes I am aware it use to be even worse with Fastpass.)
 
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An improvement. Much simpler than the too confusing and complex Genie+ and very similar to Fastpass+, except now you pay. When I finished my vacation to Disney, every survey I received was entirely about Genie+, which I proceeded to trash, so I figured something was up. But I anticipated it happening in Jan. 2025, not this early. Good move by Disney and cleaning up the Disability pass fraud probably opened up enough space to handle what surely will be increased demand.
 
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I think this will make Genie+ (sorry, Multi Pass...) essentially value-less for non-resort guests. With resort guests getting the jump on reserving attractions, I would expect all/most of the E-tickets to be gone before non-resort guests get a chance to reserve anything.

The theoretical hope, then, would be that eventually fewer people will be purchasing this upcharge, thereby shortening standby.

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Edit: I DO like that at least you don’t have to pay until you technically have the selections you are happy with, nice addition.
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This is the only positive I see here.
 
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Disney onsite resort occupancy rates have declined... so makes sense this change will prioritize and provide onsite guests a major advantage.

I'm sure some who were planning to stay offsite will now reconsider that decision.

With 3 onsite resorts opening at UOR next year and the gravity of Orlando moving a bit more North down I4, WDW will need major incentives in place to have people stay at their resort. WDW doesn't care if you visit Universal as long as they stay within property, that's a lot of revenue to battle for.

Outside of increased capacity at the parks, I really think any sort of Fastpass/Express queue needs to be simplified like Universal's system. Make it a one-time per attraction experience and call it a day.
 
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PerceptiveCoot said:
Sorry to double post, but I wanted to keep my opinions separate from the information.

If they're getting rid of the Genie+ moniker entirely, why not just switch back from Lightning Lane to FastPass? As I understand it, this is effectively just a regression back to FastPass+, except I don't have to remember to make reservations 60 days in advance.
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I imagine because everyone knew Fast Pass was free they don't want to bring back the name and people think it is free again.
 
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